Thursday, May 8, 1997 at 9 PM ET
in the Kitchen Conference Room-"GETTING INTO THE SWING OF WEDDING SEASON
WITH DOLORES AND PWD SUGAR. JOIN THE PROS FOR FUN AND LIVELY DISCUSSIONS"
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Pwd Sugar: Hi I Do Cakes - I was bragging on you. :*) Her chocolate one
that was pictured in black and white should have been shown in color.
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(NOTE): I Do Cakes was honored by Mail Box News by having several of her
cakes featured in the most recent issue of their cake decorating publication.
When we share in MBN, we often receive several rewards from them! You can
read more about MBN on AOL in our "Discuss Cake Decorating" are under subject
heading: PUBLICATIONS. <<<I Do Cakes did the boot cake and several
others.>>>
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I Do Cakes: Dolores--didn't know that was me?
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No, I sure didn't. And you are now a celebrity! : D
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Ising C: Hello all I want to welcome Carol Ising to our AOL chats. Carol
and I were buddies long ago over on Prodigy. Carol's cakes have been featured
in our ICES newsletter and I believe, also in MBN....Carol? So nice to
have you join us on AOL! NOW, don't cake decorators have a fine little
'nook?'
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Jjcpmiller: Dee, how do you turn on your log??????????
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From Dolores --- LOG: To record our chat tonight: to do: at the
AOL opening menu, click on File, then choose Log Manager, choose Open Log...save
it as any name anywhere you want. Such as "Cake log"...After you exit AOL
you can use any word processor to read it. (I use a folder called chat
logs). This is a plain text file which can be read by any PC or MAC.
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IRUN5: I would like to start selling my cakes how do i get started (From
Dolores) Please read out past chats. We have covered this several different
sessions and quite expensively too. Also, there will soon be an article
ALL about this in The American Cake Decorating Magazine by Earlene Moore
(who is your host - Pwd sugar).
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Dolores777: ICES:::web site ---Wonderful cake pics: http://www.ices.org
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NOTICE: The deadline for regular registration at cheapest
rates for the ICES convention is June 1 I think. Don't forget! They make
NO exceptions. You CAN register later. You CAN also come just one day to
ONLY view the cakes and take photos for a fee of about $6-8.00. Go to the
ICES web site for more info. They will be happy to send you more info if
needed. If you are a member all info is already there for you.
I thought I would start off mentioning some important
basics this week. After all, you won't want to bake a wedding cake if you
have a lot of basic questions.
OVEN TOO HOT?: If your cakes are baking with HIGH humps, your oven is
surely too hot. If they are baking with very high PEAKED humps in the middle
it is VERY much too hot. Try reducing your oven temperature by 25 degrees.
If this isn't enough, turn it down some more. It seems that all home ovens
are NOT calibrated as they should be. I have one oven that's extra hot
and one that's extra cool. There are other factors too, such as the seal
on the door. If it is not tightly sealed cool air will seep in and make
it take longer for your cake to bake. NOTE: You might want to try checking
with another oven thermometer too.
WHEN IS IT DONE?: --- BAKE UNTIL DONE! YOUR CAKE IS DONE - WHEN-IT IS
DONE Cake Recipes state 350 for all. Some ovens are hotter. But I prefer
to bake at around 325 usually for ALL cakes.
LOPSIDED CAKES: Cakes always bake with a rounded hump at best. You can
level your cakes by placing a towel on top and press gently until cake
is flat on top. (Do this immediately when finished baking). If cake just
springs back up when you do this, it is over-done (baked too long) and
you must then shave off the hump with a serrated-edged knife. If the oven
is hotter in the back -as explained above, the cake is apt to be lop-sided.
It will be lower in back because it baked quicker in back. Turn the pan
a half turn about halfway through baking to help solve this. If it is still
lower on one side, shave off the high side and add the cake pieces to the
low side. This way the cake will appear level when you turn it out bottoms-up.
Yes, bottom up - you need the top of your cake to be nice and flat. Lopsided
or rounded tops are the main difficulty in a disaster.
BOX OR RECIPE DIRECTIONS ARE GUIDELINES. YOU MUST ALSO TEST: TO TEST:
Press your finger lightly in the center of the cake (last part to be done).
If the cake BARELY springs back up it is done. Testing heavy cakes is different.
Then a cake tester may be your best tool. If the cake clings to the tool,
bake it longer. This goes for any size cake, large or small.
NOTE: For wedding cakes: Wedding cakes are usually placed on a cardboard
the SAME size as the cake. The BOTTOM tier is then placed on a STURDY board
4 inches larger. I use masonite boards covered with Contac Paper. I print
my shop name on the back and write down what it will cost if they lose
it. (Deducted from the deposit).
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CB332: question re. wafer paper... does wafer blend into icing and become
one with decor.?
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Dolores777: Not entirely CB - The new edible images do though. (You can
read about Edible Images on my web site under ORDERS
There were several questions about my shop...I'll try
to answer some for you.
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Its a supply shop - VERY well stocked with all cake, candy and baking items.
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The name of the shop is SUGARCRAFT.
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We are located at 1143 S. Erie Blvd., Hamilton Ohio 45011. Erie Blvd. Is
Route 4. One mile South of High St. or 6-8 miles North of I-275 and Cincinnati.
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Our building is pink in the front, scallop trims at windows and door with
a BIG wood wedding cake on the front....you can't miss it.
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Our phone# is 513-896-7089. You can call from 9:30 am - 5:00 pm (est) Mon
- Sat.
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I have been decorating since 1964. I have had this supply shop since 1980.
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Yes, I teach classes. Mostly I do the Wilton (with LOTS of my own tips
thrown in!) course of 12 consecutive weeks - one night each week - for
$50.00 and you furnish your supplies. The grand finale is a wedding cake.
(I demo a wedding cake to you on the 11th night). Also, this class
is really 3 four-week parts. You can choose to take only 4 weeks, 8 weeks,
or all 12, as you like. Our next session starts May 28th at 6:30 pm
- 9 pm. NOTE: Our next session starts Sept. 29th.
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AlDek: Where do ya sell your books Dee?
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A. I sell them from my shop mostly. You can email or call. Find info on
ORDERS from my HOME PAGE. Here are books we have so far:
1. TRADTIONS published by Bakery Craft $6.99 This book contains wedding
cakes, small to very elaborate. Most are easy enough to produce and lasting
favorites I have done many times. All are in color.
2. A WORKBOOK FOR WEDDING CAKES $16.99 Published by me and the newest
book... This book completely covers all techniques very thoroughly. You
won't need 10 different books anymore to learn how to do wedding cakes,
or for that matter smaller all-occasion too. Complete with photos of lots
of cakes - 201 pages.
3. 100 PETITE DOLL PAN CAKES YOU CAN CREATE $6.99 This book contains
diagrams and instructions for cakes that can all be created with the petite
doll cake pan. This makes your pan worth SO much more! Use it in SO many
ways. Example: FOOTBALL CAKE: Put 2 petite doll pan cakes on side with
icing between. Ice chocolate, smooth with a paper towel for ball texture.
Add white 'design' and writing. Can be served as individual cakes or as
the decoration for larger ones.
4. SUGARCRAFT'S RECIPE BOOK $6.99 - sharing our recipes and ideas. (Much
here is now shared in the new wedding cake book above).
5. SUGARCRAFT'S CANDY BOOK $4.99 This book explains everything there
is to know about compound coating chocolate. Contains all our candy recipes
and diagrams as needed.
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Shavkin: Pwd: You mentioned "name tags" or something for identification
@ ICES convention. Any
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Shavkin: thing done to date for us to know each other earlier in conven.
rather than even of share on Sun. Of course, I know u, though LOL!!
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Pwd Sugar: Good idea Shavkin- If we can just find one another. Like a small
computer pin or something that we could all wear
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PSTRY 8: when is the ICES convention in Oralando? A. You can find all the
information for this over on DISCUSS CAKE DECORATING <OR> on ICES own
web site at http://www.ices.org
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Shavkin: There are 1000 rooms booked to date for Orlando. They're trying
to find more Thursday is the big registration day. Steve & I are helping
regist. Wed. nite and Thurs am, so you can meet me there. pwd: I'm thinking
of what to do. Your idea sounds good. If we advertise in the chat rm to
put on something (pin on) that is identifying for all of us and that all
of us can bring from home that would be ideal. DUNKLEMAN: I vow some year
I am going to a convention! They just sound too neat!
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Ising C: I highly recommend it...i just wihs I could go
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Pwd Sugar: Dunkleman you can not in your wildest dreams imagine all the
stuff that goes on at an ICES convention. It is a not to be missed weekend
once you have been to one show
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DSimm3672: What is ICES??
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Pwd Sugar: International Cake Exploration Societe - Over 4,000 members
internationally
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Shavkin: ICES is the International Cake Exploration Societ that is for
anyone who is interested
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Pwd Sugar: Check out the Disscuss cake decorating area for lots of info
and address. Second weekend in August
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DaffyDayto: i learned so much from Discuss Cake Decorating...it's great
Shavkin: in the art of cake decorating (includes candy; but mostly cakes).
The dues is $27.00 per yr. You get a newsletter 11 times per yr.
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Shavkin: There is a color insert with four pages of colored pic of cakes
from the last, previous conv
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Dolores777: also check on their web site at: http://www.ices.org
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Ising C: our cake club is planning a judged cake show in March 98 -- i'll
share more info later...Charleston, WV
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Pwd Sugar: Shavkin what was the idea for ICES
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Shavkin: All you need do is send your dues to your State Rep (Ea. state,
country, providence has a
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Pwd Sugar: Oh they do - lots of ICES members in Colorado - WHere are you?
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Shavkin: Rep that would be equated to a Pesident of a club. But, ICES has
one President, Sheila Miller of PA. The person to send your dues to is:
Gayle McMillan, Membership Coordinator, 4883 Camellia Lane, Bosier City
La 71111.
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JPine52625: how do I find out if they have ICES in Colorado? should I call
a Wilton instructor to find out if they know? about ICES in Colorado Pwd
Sugar: I have a list of reps JPine - I will E-Mail you the CO reps name
and phone --- Just looked and it is Kyra Kay Hemming in Morrison, CO
**RECIPE* This recipe was requested from me this past
week. I thought you might be interest...
COCONUT CREAM CAKE
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1 White cake w/pudding in mix
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3 Eggs 1/3 cup Oil
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1 cup Water
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1/2 ts Coconut flavoring
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1 cup Canned cream of coconut syrup
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8 oz carton whipping cream
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1 tb Sugar
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1 cup Flaked coconut
Combine cake mix, eggs, oil, water and coconut flavoring in mixing bowl.
Beat 2 minutes at med. speed. Pour into 13 x 9 " cake pan. Bake at 350F
for 30 minutes or according to package directions. Mix cream of coconut
syrup and condensed milk until smooth. Pike even rows of holes in warm
cake with 2 prong serving fork. Pour syrup-milk mixture into holes and
over top of cake. Set in refrigerator overnight or several hours until
well chilled. Beat cream until soft peaks form. Sprinkle with sugar and
beat until stiff but smooth. Frost top of cake and sprinkle with coconut.
Serve chilled, cut into squares. Shared by Sandy Von Bibber, on Prodigy
years ago.
COCONUT CAKE 2 (I liked this one because of the sour cream).
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1 Duncan Hines yellow cake mix
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3 Eggs
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1/4 cup Oil
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3 ts Sugar
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1 ts Vanilla
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1 1/2 cup Water
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FROSTING:
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2 Large pk coconut
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2 cup Sugar
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1 cup Sour cream
Mix sugar & sour cream, stir well until sugar melts. Bake in 9x13"pan
at 350d.for 35 min. Add coconut & spread on cake while warm. Refrigerate
for at least 1 day before serving. This is a cake that is best 2-3 days
later.
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Ising C: what is the going rate for wedding cakes in your area?
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Dolores777: my area 1.00 to 1.50
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Ising C: same here, dee
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Vitty Z: that is per serving right DEE
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Dolores777: yes per serving
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DragoDan: 1.75 here inupstate ny
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Dolores777: how bout you Shavkin...up there in the high rent district ?
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Dolores777: Pwd starts out at $2.50 per serving
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JJEN842561: wow is that with a filling other than frosting?
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JJEN842561: per slice?
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Dolores777: JJ:::I add on when I do special things...more flavors, colors,
fancier etc
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JJEN842561: how much for your wedding cake normally-per slice?
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Ising C: do you charge a set up or delivery fee in addition to your cake
per slice charge
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Dolores777: starts at 1.00 here but that is NOT stringwork at all
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Dolores777: yes I do and I don't deliver the cheapies at all
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PSTRY 8: there is a cutting fee tacked on by a lot of the hotels here it
is between 1.50 and 3.50
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Inthislif: My cupcakes sink in the middle after I take them out of oven,
Anyone?
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Ising C: Inthislif: you are underbaking them
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Dolores777: from a mix or scratch cake Inth?? Inthislif: Both and they
all sink
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Ising C: maybe you need to check you oven temp
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Dolores777: Then they simply aren't done...bake and press your finger lightly
on top - if it doesn't stay depressed - cake is done
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Carostew: Is there a schedule available?
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Dolores777: yes - in Discuss Cake Decorating off of the Cooking Club /
Cook's School (also where the Cooking Club posts all other schedules)
Earlene's part:
Getting into the swing of wedding season with Dolores and Pwd Sugar.
I decided to use a couple of sheets that I give to the Brides at the
Bridal shows for tonight. It is general wedding information that a Bride
and the cake maker can use.
I belong to an association here in town called the Bridal Service Associates.
It is made up of Small Business Owners who have business that relate to
the Bridal Industry. There are only two or three business in each catagory
and around 20 catagories.
Catagories include Bridal Attire, Bridal Registry/Gifts, Calligrapher/Invitations,
Caterers, Designer Cakes, Florists, Hair Styling, Jewelers, and Etc. Your
business must be invited to join. A pamphlet is published for the brides
listing all of these business. She can be assured that these are reputable
businesses who have her intrest at heart. We meet once a month for a meeting
and networking opportunity and sponsor two Bridal shows a year. This organization
has most of the people in it who refer Brides to me. They now know what
I do and the quality of the work. I also know who to refer a Bride to when
she is asking for help. When I arrive at a wedding to set up the cake and
I am working with people from this organization I know things are going
to be handled well and that Bride's wedding will go like clockwork. The
following is information that I hand out at the Bridal shows. Wedding Cake
Information
1. Decide upon how many total servings you will need.
You are the only one who knows your circle of friends and family - therefore
you are the only one who can judge accordingly just how many guests might
attend your wedding. RSVP's are helpful as you approach the wedding day
and can be used as a check to be sure that you planned for the right amount
of people.
One method used in judging how many to plan for in your wedding cake
is as follows. If you are sending out 300 invitations, then you are actually
inviting approximately 600 people. (Allowing for some family invitations
and other single invitations.) For most families if you plan for your total
cakes to serve somewhere between these two numbers (1/3) 200 to (1/2) 300
you will have plenty of cake. If a large number of your invitations are
out of town then the lower number will probably be adequate for you. If
you and your family are very socially active and a large number of your
invitations are in town then you will need to possibly plan for a larger
number. You will need to decide this based on your particular situation.
2. Contact your choice of a Cake Designer Contact the business or individual
that you would like to make your bride's and groom's cakes. Some will require
that you make a deposit in advance to securing a date. Booking as much
as a year in advance may be needed depending on the availability of the
cake maker and the time of year that you are planning for your wedding.
Spring break weekend, May, June, July, August, December and January are
the heaviest wedding periods in the Lubbock area. Please be considerate
of your cake designers time and schedule by making an appointment. Most
cake details can be done in one (one to two hour) appointment. A charge
may be required for a second or third appointment.
3. Selecting your Cake Design
What are you serving as refreshments at possibly the largest party you
will ever have? That's what your wedding is - A party with a ceremony to
start the festivities and then a time for your guests to mingle, dance,
celebrate and be served refreshments. Whether you serve a full sit down
dinner, a buffet, finger foods or just cake, punch, nuts and mints it should
be good to eat. The best that you can provide for your guests.
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Ask about samples of cake or order a birthday cake months in advance of
your wedding to check out the taste and texture. Your style and taste should
be reflected in your cake design. Some cakes require a minimum of time
and therefore are inexpensive. Other cakes require many hours of preparation
time and the cost will be higher according to the extra time required in
constructing your special cake.
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4. Payment and Final changes in your wedding cake concerning number of
servings, design or color should be made at least two weeks to a month
before your wedding date.
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5. Delivery of your cake within the city should be included in your wedding
cake price. An extra charge will be made for delivery outside of Lubbock.
It is your responsibility to coordinate the delivery times with all concerned
at your reception. Consider in your wedding cake set-up
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1. tables must be set up and draped before the
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2. Cake is delivered and set up before the
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3. florist can add the finishing touches (such as fresh greenery around
the base of the cakes or place fresh flowers on the cake).
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4. You must return all of the equipment (or make arrangements for return)
to the cake maker at the earliest time possible. Just for your information
Taken from Austin Wedding Guide Book
The popularity of a pioneer bride was said to be judged by the size
of her wedding cake. Guests would bring layers of cake, which were then
filled with applesauce and stacked. The more popular the bride, the taller
and more numerous her stacks. The bride's cake, symbolic of fertility and
abundance, is traditionally a three-tiered white cake, frosted in white
royal or buttercream icing.
Tradition, however, has crumbled. Brides are now choosing cakes of German
chocolate, Italian rum, strawberry, carrot, yellow and white. . . . in
other words you may accommodate your own sweet tooth. Choose your baker
by sampling their cakes, if possible, and looking over their albums of
cake designs and styles. You will find cakes designed around fountains
and bridges as well as multitiered and sheet cakes. Your fantasy becomes
reality with a creative baker. Select your baker at least three to six
months in advance. . . be prepared to describe your wedding, the number
of guests, location and time. Multi-tiered cakes are generally assembled
at the reception site. Be sure you allow enough time for delivery and set
up. A deposit of 10 to 15 percent is customarily given at the time you
place your order. Request a receipt describing the type of cake you've
ordered, its filling, icing, style and color of decorations. The decoration
on the top of your cake can be as unique as the cake itself. Fresh flowers
and delicate glass blown tops are charming decorations. Your baker will
give you cutting instructions. Remember, when you make the first cut, hold
the knife in your right hand. Your groom's hand closes over yours and together
you cut a slice. This is the result of an ancient Greek custom where a
couple shared a sesame seed cake to ensure theirs would be a fruitful marriage.
The top layer of your wedding cake is generally wrapped and frozen to await
the special celebration of you first anniversary.
NEXT WEEK: "Please join Pwd Sugar for a super discussion about the different
kinds of icings - Recipes and hints" I will be away for 2 weeks. I hope
everyone comes and helps Pwd sugar out.
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Ising C: Dee-Did you see American Cake Decorator Magazine?
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Dolores777: yes - got it right here
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Ising C: so we know which picture is yours
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JJEN842561: how do you get the magazine?
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JPine52625: I e-mailed from Amer Cake Decor Magazine, they're sending a
free copy to me..nice
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Ising C: They came to our cake show last year and took some pics and article.
I'll have to look for what month
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JPine52625: they have a website for American Cake Decorating mag is www.cakemag.com/
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Ising C: I did the cake with the Elephants
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Dolores777: Pwd is doing a cake business article for them soon
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Ising C: The other cake i did last year was the sweet 16 Ising C: American
Cake Decorating Magazine e-mail address: cakemag.com
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OnlineHost: CHaney8796 has entered the room.
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CHaney8796: Hi everybody I finally figured out how to use this crazy thing
so I can get on line and now its time
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Dolores777: Great CHaney ---A GREAT BIG WELCOME to the OHIO ICES rep!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Dolores777: Ohio put on one heck of a DOS, right DUNK...got to thank Chaney
for it all
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CHaney8796: Certainly hope everyone enjoyed my last finally before I leave
the office of Ohio Ices Rep. Must get off of here I 'm in the middle of
doing a cake for four hundred people and all gum paste. I'll be back next
week as I have finally firure this out and its great. see you all next
week.
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JPine52625: read the log from few weeks ago about mother's day cakes, was
good
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JPine52625: funniest one was, what is best mother's day cake for a cake
decorator...a pie!
CAKESUP: I find that the later a bride cuts the cake the less cake that
is eaten / needed.
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CB332: dee.. can you give me any last min. advice on using wafer paper?
placing on buttercream. should I trim paper right down to picture? does
the buttercream have to be fairly wet to hold it in place ?
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Dolores777: YES CB But I wet it on the back and place it...don't get water
on the front. You can do LOTS with wafer paper CB. Pwd sugar made wonderfull
butterflies that looked real.
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CB332: thanks dee! when is next ohio DOS?
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Dolores777: The last Sunday of September OH DOS - one day next time - was
2 days this time
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JJEN842561: where is going to be in ohio?
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Dolores777: Its always in Columbus and at the Maker's Mark hotel
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CB332: one day or all weekend. would love to attend. I am in WNY western
new york... buffalo
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Shavkin: Hi: I'm from Fishkill NY and was Rep for the last 3 years. R u
member now?? New Rep this year.. is from Rochester and u just missed the
Weekend of Shar in Syracuse
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Pwd Sugar: It is so nice to have ICES friends all over the world. A gal
that worked for me a couple of years ago now lives in Spokane WA and ICES
and my name got her hooked Now she is going to England for vacation and
we are making connections for her there too. Wes go to Discuss Cake Decorating
and there is lots of info on ICES
Pwd Sugar: Dee put some of my cakes on last weeks chat info on her web
page.
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