Thursday, May 22, 1997 at 9 pm Our topic tonight
is 'Those flowers can't really be sugar'???
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Earlene's Part
Dolores is fishing and getting some good r & r. She will be back
for the chat on the 29th. Shavkin has agreed to help me the two weeks she
will be gone. Diane is very new to the chat room. She is a knowledgeable
cake decorator and has some ideas that are different for you.
Did you check out the chat we did on may 1st on Dolores' web page. Http://w3.one.net/~proicer/index.html
She put four of my wedding cakes (in her web page) down in my part of the
chat info. Three of these cakes have sugar flowers on them and this week
I'll tell you some of the ways to make your flowers look more realistic.
BUTTERCREAM ROSES. - use three shades of pink for pink roses. The centers
of the roses should be the darkest color and perhaps the next three petals.
Make the next row of petals (four or five) a shade lighter. Now make the
final row of petals on the large roses even lighter. This gives your roses
some life. If you make them all the same color they have no life. Even
white roses should start with ivory in the center and work to white on
the outer petals.
When I do roses from royal or gumpaste I follow this same pattern with
the color. In addition with the royal and gumpaste I take a large brush
like a makeup powder brush and gently brush across the top edges of the
petals with a darker color to accent the roses. For instance if I wanted
to make a rose to resemble a peace rose in royal icing. I would make a
rose in soft yellow shades and after it is dry brush across the tops of
the petals with pink powder. They make petal dust or dusting powders especially
for use on your flowers. If you do not have access to these powders you
might want to use powdered non-toxic tempera or pastel chalks for your
dusting colors. If all you have access to is the chalk sticks - scrape
them with a knife over wax paper or on a piece of window screen to make
a powder. If your powdered color is to bright and harsh you can soften
it by adding cornstarch.
PANSIES MADE WITH ROYAL ICING and striping the bag is very effective.
Put a dark line of icing down the inside of the bag above where the narrow
edge of your petal tip will be resting. Pansies made from royal icing will
need some hand painting to make them realistic. You will need a fine line
brush and airbrush colors or diluted paste colors. The paste color can
be diluted with vodka, water or lemon extract depending on what you are
going to painting on. (buttercream painting will need alcohol based liquid)
solid gold royal pansies will need some brighter gold painted into the
center of the flower and after that has dried fine black lines can be added
fanning out from the center. After the black lines have dried then over
pipe with royal icing the final touches of gold in the center of the pansies.
I Do Cakes: The brush in the Wilton student kit is not good for this.
Cakestmper: try cake decorator pens instead of the paintbrush Pwd Sugar:
FLowers and how to make sugar flowers more realistic.
ROYAL AND GUMPASTE FLOWERS AND LEAVES can be enhanced to look more realistic
by using dusting powders, air brush, food color pens, petal dust, steaming,
and dipping. For instance leaves are enhanced by several of these methods.
Last night we were working on several types of leaves for the cakes this
weekend.
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BronnieF: Powdered, did Carol like making roses with the Masa Tichino.
Did bride order the cake?
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Pwd Sugar: A little experience in painting helps but I learned about colors
through decorating cakes and then when I had the opportunity to take some
painting classes. I found I already had a good knowledge of mixing colors.
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MLowery159: Pwd. Sounded just like my tole painting classes, and will use
your lovely instructions.
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DragoDan: what about verigating the bag with the color and some white
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Pwd Sugar: If you verigate the bag with the color it comes out basically
the same through the whole flower and you lose the life.
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AnnieCraft: I get a lot of ideas from looking at the roses in my garden
too
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BronnieF: I love dusting sugar flowers with powdered colors, what a difference,
they sure come to life
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DragoDan: idont understand? where i work we put white frosting at the thin
edge and the dark color at the fat end when we pipe it out the outer edge
has a white tip and the center is darker
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Pwd Sugar: I got a book about 3 years ago and it has hundreds of rose variety's
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Pwd Sugar: Drago what do you not understand
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Shavkin: drago... Pwd is refering to gumpaste flowers. I will talk about
what you are referring to w
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Shavkin: in buttercream when Pwd is done. That should be helpful to you.
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Shavkin: I know what u mean
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Pwd Sugar: I understand what you are saying - I just use a different method
to get shadding
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Cakestmper: Drago, it sounds like you are striping your decorating bag
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Shavkin: I would use a light green buttercream instead of the white and
then have the dark green edge
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Pwd Sugar: I use three bags with three shades of icing. To give them more
depth
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DragoDan: no not with any paste
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Shavkin: Sorry, Guest u mean roses.
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Pwd Sugar: Buttercream Drago - RIght
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Cakestmper: You can stripe with icing, too, not just the brush stripe
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Pwd Sugar: I am talking about buttercream, royal or gumpaste - the shading
in assembling
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DragoDan: right didnt realize we were still on gum paste
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Pwd Sugar: Right Cakestmper you can stripe with icing for a nice effect.
Especially for pansies
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Chef97vin: what do you do with gum paste besides but it roll it and cover
something with it
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DragoDan: i found i like the new gel colors anyone else using them?
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Cakestmper: Chef97,make flowers, figures, any molding you would like, shapes,
boxes, shells
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DragoDan: i think the chef is talking about fondant
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Chef97vin: you buy thwm already made
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Pwd Sugar: I make all of my flowers. Lots of time and much detail
The IVY LEAVES were cut out of gumpaste, a wire inserted, veined and the
edges thinned from a soft shade of green a couple of days ago. Last night
put a tiny amount of Crisco on one finger and touched each leaf randomly
with the Crisco. Then the leaf was dipped into vodka colored dark green,
removed from the vodka mixture and twirled until most of the excess color
was removed. Everywhere the leaf was touched with the Crisco the color
just runs off. Now we have variegated ivy leaves to use in the flower arrangements.
The ROSE LEAVES were also made with a soft green gumpaste. I airbrushed
the leaves lightly with bright green and then sprayed again with a moss
green. Spraying heavier on one side of the leaves to give the more realistic
coloring. Because we want these leaves to have a nice shine we will put
the teakettle on the stove and when we have a good steam flow these leaves
will be steamed lightly. Just until they are shiny - be careful and don't
melt your detail. Let them dry and do this several more times. Now these
leaves will stay shiny for a long time.
I also have some STARGAZER LILIES to color. I will airbrush yellow down
in the center of the flower petals, then some green, then the pink to burgundy
rich color. The dots on these flower petals can be accomplished using the
food color pens. Or non-toxic felt tip pens. Alstamaria have small slashes
on their petals that need to be done also with the pens.
DragoDan: are we shading flowers with airbrush? excellent idea about
the babybreath pwd!
Another way to give a slightly more realistic illusion is by using colored
sugar or very fine coconut. Daisy centers that are brushed with piping
gel and sprinkled with yellow or gold colored sugar has a more realistic
appearance than just piped with royal icing. You can make a reasonable
facsimile of baby's breath by using fine wires and making a loop on one
end. Dip it in royal icing and then in very finely chopped white coconut.
Wire several together for a more realistic look.
Pwd Sugar: Are the new gel colors strong in color
I hope these few little hints will help you with your flowers. Now lets
see what Diane has for you tonight.
Diane's Part
In order to enhance the WONDERFUL WORKMANSHIP OF THE FLOWERS, the LEAVES
also need attention to realism and character. The leaves and flowers should
compliment each other; not lessen the quality of the other because one
of the two is not "up-to-par".
HINT: find a basic color of green that has the foundation of real-life
leaves.
Also: find the technique to create a leaf with character.
The recipe to use for butter cream work is called, "BASIC GREEN". Here
is the recipe: - shared by Diane Shavkin. Add the following paste food
colors to 1/2 c of white butter cream icing: 1 tsp. Leaf green 1/4 tsp.
Tulip red 1/8 tsp. Lemon yellow 1/8 tsp. Sky blue 1/8 orange.
Stir until well blended. Store in an air-tight container. Let set 24
hours before using. If the color ends up being a very deep green that almost
looks black, then the mixture is a good one.
NOTE: to use the "basic green" mixture, use small amounts to make shades
of green. Do not use the concentrated color alone. It needs to be mixed
with butter cream icing.
Now, let's talk about color-blending because this technique is also
very important in creating an eye-pleasing presentation of the cake. The
eye should "softly" move across the entire display while in the viewing
process.
Here is a setup procedure for creating colors for the cake: One bowl
is needed for each of the colors that will go onto the cake. Three bowls
will be used for the green icing leaves and three bowls will be used for
the rose. (we'll use mauve).
1) make a medium shade of rose pink butter cream using paste food colors..
2) mix the brown food color into some butter cream and then add the
brown butter cream (a dab at a time) to the medium shade of rose pink butter
cream. Let the color "sit" to develop it's color.
Now, work with the three bowls of green using "basic green" for the
first bowl of butter cream by placing an amount of white frosting into
the bowl.
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BronnieF: When working with color, always start very light, you can always
add more color to deepen rather than be stuck with much too dark icing
or gumpaste and then have to make more
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Pwd Sugar: That color goes a long way doesn't it Bronnie
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BronnieF: Are the new gel colors in a tube or jar?
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(From Dolores - They are in a jar the same as the paste. You don't notice
a big difference. But they are much easier to mix and blend with your icing).
How much? Estimate the amount of green you will need to do your work and
place 1/2 that amount into the bowl. Tint that frosting a soft, medium
green using small amounts of the "basic green" until you get the color
desired. Place one third of this medium green frosting into an empty bowl.
Place another third of the medium green into another empty bowl. You should
now have in front of you three bowls of medium green". In your mind, label
the bowls a, b and c. "b" will remain the same color it is. "a" will now
have frosting added to make it a very pale green. "c" will now have "basic
green" added to it to make it a nice deeper shade of green. Now there are
three shades of green to work with. Fill a bag no more than 1/2 full with
each of the three colors of green (alternating colors so that the colors
will blend, but not completely mix). Pipe the leaves using leaf tips when
you are ready to do this task on the cake. Remember the mauve that is "sitting"?
We are now ready to work on that. Divide the mauve into thirds. Keep
1/3 of the mauve in the original bowl. Place 2/3 of the mauve into another
bowl and mix an equal amount of white frosting into that bowl. Now, take
1/2 of this new, lighter shade we will call, "medium mauve" and place that
in another bowl. Use an equal amount of white frosting and lighten this
mauve. This color will now be called, "pale mauve". This method keeps the
same original color and enables you to have lighter shades to work with.
There are two things that you can do when you are using the shades of mauve
to create a rose:
1) just take each of the shades of pink frosting and place them into
a decorating bag so that the colors blend, but not completely. Or:
2. Place the deepest shade in one bag, the medium shade in another bag
and the light shade in a third bag.
Use the deepest shade for the center of the rose and two or three of
its petals, the medium shade for the next three petals and the lightest
shade for the outer petals. Let's pretend we need yellow flowers to go
with the mauve roses. To avoid a separation of the two colors by having
yellow flowers and mauve flowers with the colors clashing, take a dab of
the yellow butter cream and place this into the mauve frostings. Now, take
a dab of the mauve butter cream and place this into the yellow frostings.
Remember that we do not want the colors to change, just keep the yellow
flowers yellow with a touch of mauve so that the flowers have the appearance
"they came from the same family of colors", yet, are still individual yellows
and mauves. A very small dab of the green frosting can be placed each of
the other frosting colors and each of the other colors can be placed into
each of the greens. You have now created frosting colors that have that
"common touch" of "belonging in the same family" yet, still are individual
colors.
SUGGESTION: when tinting the frosting a color, add the paste food color
(using a toothpick) to the frosting near one side of the bowl. Stir to
blend. Just take parts of this tinted colored frosting and blend into the
rest of the bowl of frosting until you have the desired shade. Whenever
you add more color to get a deeper shade, mix this color into the frosting
that is at one side of the bowl. If you get too dark of a color, you can
always remove that small portion from the bowl. If you mix the color into
the entire bowl, you might get too deep a color and have to remove a larger
amount of frosting which would be more of a waste.
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BronnieF: Tip when adding color to gumpaste: - lightly cricso your hands
to avoid getting them stained
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Pwd Sugar: Bronnie you should see my hands tonight LOL
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BronnieF: Maybe we should wear those surgical gloves
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Cakestmper: wear white gloves to wedding after setting up cake, hands get
so stained!
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Pwd Sugar: Surgical gloves are to hot for hot handed me LOL
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DragoDan: no way i cant get the feel of the dough right have tried gloves
- funny thuogh that i have found that shampoo gets colors off my hands
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BronnieF: I love pulled sugar, but same techniques can apply. Use 2-3 colors
of gumpaste to make leaves and petals, and then dust with powder
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DragoDan: pwd i have a motor for my pasta machine when i do fondant work
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Pwd Sugar: Pasta machine and a motor is a necessity Drago - I could not
work without mine
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DragoDan: great for ruffles - Rolling out flower petals, ribbons and etc.
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CB332: pwd. or diane i have a question please...non flower related - How
does a double yolk egg effect a cake mix? should i remove one yolk?
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Pwd Sugar: I measure egg yolks and whites so that I don't have a variation
in how they bake
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DragoDan: it would probaly make the cake just a little richer
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Pwd Sugar: I had trouble with the Italian cream receipe coming out the
same. Since I started measuring I don't have a problem.
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SPear80780: maybe someone can tell me why everytime i bake a simple cake
it collaped,help!!!!!
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Pwd Sugar: Sounds like you took it out before it was done.
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DragoDan: maybe laevening measures are off
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Pwd Sugar: It may be your receipe or the temprature in your oven
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CB332: thanks dan & pwd. Does the weather effect cake baking?
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Pwd Sugar: Could be lots of reasons.
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LadyWest2: SPear, from scratch or from bx
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Cakestmper: don't put warm cake in refridgerator, student did it yesterday,
and cake fell
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Pwd Sugar: It seems to CB - We have noticed when we have low pressure systems
are moving in that our cakes seem to fall easier ]
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Vgan965946: Hi people, Is there a better way of smoothing the buttercream
on a cake,w/out hot water?
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Pwd Sugar: Vgan use a smooth paper towel and a fondant smoother - works
great
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Vgan965946: O.K>..will try. Doing a wedding cake in Aug. hate to work w/frosting
in hot weather...
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Pwd Sugar: Drago do you have some pictures of your cakes somewhere that
we could see?
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DragoDan: have you ever paper towled the buttercream?
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Cakestmper: Drago, use paper towel after icing has set for 5-10 min, Vgan
- paper towels work great. Try laying a piece of decorative lace over the
iced cake, then the paper towel over that. smooth, and lift off the towel
and lace. It will leave a nice design from lace on icing.
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Pwd Sugar: Cakestmper - Leave the lace on just long enough to air brush
soft color and then remove lace - nice effect
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Cakestmper: I love to use the heavy lace designs, that leave deep impressions
of flowers, houses,etc
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DragoDan: do you put the lace over all or to just oneside
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Pwd Sugar: Do you wash the lace and reuse it Cakestmper: Sure do wash it,
I have a little clothes line hanging over kitchen sink just for the lace!
That is what I do when I am in a bind. I bake, level, fill, stack, crumb
coat, let crust, wrap and freeze. When you take it out of the freezer be
sure and let it totally thaw before you unwrap it.
Emvac: How about doing sugared fresh flowers? I ve tried them but took
too much time..any ideas.. (From Dolores - In American Cake Decorating
Magazine - JUNE issue, it is WELL explained - complete with close up photos.
You can get this magazine at book stores. Or visit their web site at: http://www.cakemag.com).
Vgan965946: Do you work with fresh flowers? On wedding cakes ect.?
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Jac719: Is the topic limited to powdered sugar frostings?
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Pwd Sugar: Jaac719 - No - just happens to be what works for most of us.
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Vgan965946: Pwd Sugar, If I bake cool & crumb frost my lg. cake layers,
can I freeze them for later?
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Jac719: Good, actually I was looking for a recipe for Swiss Cream Frosting
and thought I'd find it
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Pwd Sugar: Anyone have a topic you would like discussed in June?????
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DragoDan: why some brides wait to the last minute and the want this masterpiece
tha should been started three months ago
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Pwd Sugar: Maybe the groom waited till the last minute
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Pwd Sugar: RIght I got you Drago - Today I did something that I probably
should not tell Pwd Sugar: A bride brought me a swatch of fabric. MAGENTA
Have you tried to paint gumpaste that color. I had absolutely nothing in
my paste, airbrush, food pens or anything else that color. So here's what
I did - but you can't tell I went to the varsity book store and snuck down
the art isles looking for that elusive color. I found a couple of chalks
that probably could have been ground up and used and then I spotted on
the next isle my answer - Acrylic paint in that exact color. Non - toxic.
I took it home and it exactly matched deluted part of it and airbrushed
it on that one particular flowers. Hope no one eats that one. Maybe someone
at the ICES show this year will have that color for us. There is nothing
on the market as far as I know
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Cakestmper: You'll know when I've been there, shelf is wiped out Pwd Sugar:
Hey It worked - and I was frustrated out of my mind
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BronnieF: Did it mess up your airbrush?
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DragoDan: pwddo you do all your flowers white and then spray them?
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Pwd Sugar: No you just have to clean it out immediately
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Pwd Sugar: Drago I try to do them the softest shade in that particular
flower. For instance purple irises would be made from soft orchid gumpaste
and then the detail would be added with airbrush and painting. Those Anomes
(Sp) (anemones...from my spell-checker LOL, Dolores?) had to made
in cream and painted magenta. Red roses I make as red as I can get them.
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CB332: is airbrush very difficult to do/learn?
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Pwd Sugar: Just takes practice on that airbrush
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DragoDan: me to 19 weddings this weekend
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Pwd Sugar: I only have three but the all are covered with flowers and three
grooms cakes to go with them. We have worked a full week just making all
of those flowers
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DragoDan: 11 ready to decorate 8 still to put together
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Cakestmper: Drago, what are you doing on-line when you have that many weddings
to do?
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DragoDan: went to work at 7 got home at 830 stmper
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BronnieF: Pwd, after Steel Magnolias, did you get requests for Armadillo
cakes?
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Pwd Sugar: Only done that Armadillo once - FUN Mahsue: ohhhh..Love Steel
Magnolias
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Vgan965946: Armadillo cakes??
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Jac719: Bleeding Armadillo cakes, love that movie
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Pwd Sugar: It looked so realistic that someone bumped the table and people
stood there thinking it was real and waiting for it to move again
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Pwd Sugar: Photographer got a real kick out of that one and shared that
story with me
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BronnieF: Don't you love it when people refuse to believe your sugar flowers
are real?
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CB332: pwd where did you learn to decorate? self taught?
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Pwd Sugar: First five years self taught - but 34 years ago - no teachers
and no one would share Since then I have taken a multitude of classes and
every opportunity I get I take another one. You can never know to much
That you can do basic decorating with
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CB332: i am so happy to have people to share with!
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Vgan965946: Whoa, bet someone here has an answer to that too!
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Pwd Sugar: Lady West most of us are ICES members and that is what our organization
is all about. ICES is International Cake Exploration Societe or Icing,
Caring, Everyone Sharing. In August we will have our annual convention
at Disneyworld
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Cakestmper: ICES Has a huge convention in Walt Disney World Aug 7-10. Yall
come
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SEABREZ358: I live near Disneyworld!! When is it?
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Pwd Sugar: That will be the sweetest convention they will have every hosted.Aug
7 - 10
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Vgan965946: Hot in Fla. then. Melted frostings?
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Cakestmper: Convention Hall is air conditioned, of course its hot in Florida.
Disney will allow us to bring cakes decorated with Disney Character this
year. There will be a princess ball on Saturday night
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Pwd Sugar: Real cake is to heavy for transporting from all over the world
and most cakes will have royal or fondant on them Dummy cakes that is.
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BronnieF: ICES --You've got to see it to believe it! Great sugar art and
ideas. Do try to come
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Shavkin: How is FL weather for chocolate. Can a display with chocolate
on it get from the airport safely to the hotel?
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Cakestmper: You might want to use a styrofoam cooler, no ice, to transport
chocolate
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SEABREZ358: How and where can we get info on the conference?// Cakestmper:
type in http://www.ices.org
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DragoDan: i saw a $6000cake last week
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Cakestmper: Pwd Sugar: $6000 cake - where?
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DragoDan: state museum wedding here in upstate ny weinstock of nyc did
it
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Pwd Sugar: My $2000 cake going out this week would probably be a $6000
cake in NY
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DragoDan: i wasn't overly impressed with the cake it was all the flowers
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Pwd Sugar: Drago - DId you check out my cakes on Dolores's web page
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DragoDan: not yet how do i get there!!!!!!!
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Pwd Sugar: http://w3.one.net/~proicer/index.html - click on AOL Chats Look
under May 1st chat info and scroll down to my input and you will find four
cakes listed there. The first one is My daughters wedding cake. The other
three were for customers. I am afraid so. We have Kaluaha Fudge, Banana
nut, Italian cream - white going out this Saturday
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