Cake decorating chat May 30, 1997 "Gearing
up for June weddings." You'll find the pros here with answers for your
questions."
It's past time to get ready for June weddings! Some weeks, (and some
months) are busier for me than others of course. June is one of my busier
times, but not necessarily THE busiest anymore. June IS busy, but not very
much busier for me than October. October is the last good month here in
southern Ohio as far as the weather is concerned. And there is also Sweetest
Day, which makes some brides choose that weekend (3rd Sunday of October).
It is good to have some insight into all the busier times. This way you
can plan your life around business. One year the 13th came on a Saturday
in June. I gambled and took a vacation that week. I think I only had one
wedding cake. But the weeks prior and after we were loaded. On this past
May 17th , we had 9 wedding cakes - and I was gone! Did I hear about that
when I got back. There would not appear to be any good reason for this,
unless you consider the fact of all the changes in young lives this time
of May. College and high school graduations seem to make a big difference
here. I live in a college town and there is another college near my shop
- only 20 minutes from one another. Weddings are planned so that friends
can attend before they leave for the summer.
Pwd Sugar: College graduation time and they want to get married and
get on with their lives
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Millie D2: Where can you go to learn how to airbrush portraits on cakes?
My husband saw the "Cake Lady" and now wants to do it too.
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Pwd Sugar: Roland Winbeckler teaches a new method of doing portraits -
neat techniques
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Shavkin: Carole Faxon will be doing air brushing on fake cakes at ICES
convention. She's great!
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Pwd Sugar: Carole Faxon is great with the airbrush but I have never seen
her do a portrait
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Millie D2: Are any of the ICES conventions ever held in NYC? I would love
to attend
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SDcaker: Millie-you can attend the Fancy Food show in Manhattan in July.
Fun!!!!! It's held at the Jacob Javits center.
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Millie D2: Yeah. I'm in Manhattan. That would be perfect. How do I get
information about the Fancy Food show?
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SDcaker: Mille-Call 708 344-4444 tomorrow to get them to fax you a form.
It's free if you "register" by May 30. If you work in a shop or have a
catering biz or anything in the culinary field, you can go. Over 800 booths
of munchies--a real learning experience. Take your friends as ts and you
can learn from their techniques while you're munching on pates, gummy bears
etc
Cakestmper: ICES Convention is held in a state that is willing to host,
and whoever gets the bid. Put one in for your state, check with the rep,
its a lot of work. This year it is in Disney World, Florida Aug 7-10.
Shavkin: I'm domoing my technique on "Gumpaste & Fondant Embroidery".
The flowers, leaves, hearts, etc. are marked into the medium (gp or fondant)
with a gumpaste cutter and flower petals are raised up from the base of
the gp/fondant, but remain attached. The ruffle is made directly from the
edge of the gumpaste plaque. For instance, u cut out a heart shape or circle
of gumpaste and then proceed with a certain tool to create the attached
ruffle with an eyelet, hearts cut of along the edge of the ruffle, etc.
Then u use dusting powders to create the colors. Each attendee to the demo
will receive instructions, recipe, and a picture of one of my works that
displays/shows this technique.
Another Look-ahead" is when the bride brings a recipe to you for her
cake. Has SHE tried it? Where did she get it? I won't use an strange recipe
for a big tiered cake without making a trial run first. Recipes out of
magazines should be definitely be tried before using.
Then, there is the bride who wants someone else to bake a special cake
and YOU decorate it. I once had a bride who I let do this. Supposedly they
had this special 'secret' recipe they didn't want to give me, so they wanted
to bake it. ...Dad was a baker, etc... Well, that cake was NO GOOD at all!
He had over-baked it, layers were not nearly high enough. It was lopsided.
IF he was a baker at all...I wouldn't want to eat his cakes. I fixed it
as best I could and made do. But I don't like for my name to be associated
with that kind of quality.
Pwd Sugar: I had a couple last year that I baked the cake for them because
the grooms grandmother was flying in and wanted to decorate the cake for
them.
Its hard to have all the answers. You probably never will. But this
is one good place to browse for <some> of the answers LOL.
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MNWoolley: great! Whats the best way to keep crumbs from coming through
the frosting?
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Pwd Sugar: Crumb coat your cakes Woolley
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MNWoolley: I've used stabilized whipping cream on some of my cakes, but
they don't seem to do borders well. any suggestions?
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Pwd Sugar: Woolley - use buttercream icing - whipping cream is so difficult
to control
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SDcaker: I"ve used a great whipped cream stabilizer called "whip It" made
by Oetker
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Chefcakes: Has anyone tried mousse to decorate instead of icing or whipped
cream?
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Chefcakes: Sure, actually its a mousse mix that you whip into heavy cream.
Holds up great.
So much for wedding ideas...I have a couple of low-cal icing recipes to
share with you. We have had several requests, so here they are:
LOW-CAL FLUFFY FROSTING:
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1/2 cup Sugar
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2 tb Water
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2 pk Sweet 'n 'Low
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2 Large egg whites
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1/4 ts Cream of tartar
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1/2 ts Vanilla
Combine sugar, water, Sweet 'n 'Low egg whites and cream of tartar in top
of a double boiler and beat at high speed for 1 minute. Set over simmering
water in the bottom of the double boiler. Continue to beat at high speed
for 4-5 minutes or until soft peaks form. Remove from heat. Add vanilla
to frosting and continue to beat at high speed 1-2 minutes or until thick
enough to spread on a cooled cake. This is enough frosting for a 2-layer
or 9" square cake.
FAT FREE QUICK CHOCOLATE FROSTING
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1/2 cup Cold skim milk
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1/2 ts Vanilla
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1 pk Dream Whip
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2 oz Sugar-free Chocolate pudding mix
Blend together skim milk, vanilla, and Dream Whip. Beat until stiff. Add
pudding mix and continue to beat until light and fluffy. Add more skim
milk if too thick. Use as frosting on low-fat cake, cupcakes or brownies.
1 Tb=9 calories, 0 Cholesterol.
LOW-CAL CREAMY FROSTING
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1/2 cup Non-fat cottage cheese; sieve
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1/8 ts Salt
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1/2 tb Diet margarine, melted
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1/2 cup Equal-Sugar twin
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1 ts Vanilla
Sieve cottage cheese through strainer to smooth. Mix all ingredients. Beat
until smooth. Frosts one cake.
Earlene's Part
CREAM CHEESE FROSTING WITH NO SUGAR
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16 oz cream cheese softened
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2 Tbsp. butter
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2 Tbsp. vanilla
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1/3 cup honey
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2 egg whites, beaten stiff
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1 pkg vanilla sugar free pudding mix. Jello
Mix all ingredients except egg whites. Beat egg whites and mix together.
Spread thickly over the cake and you can make some borders with this icing
"Gearing up for the June weddings"
I think the secret for being able to do multiple weddings in this busy
season is advance planning. When a bride orders a cake with very time consuming
decorations that I can make in advance, I require that she pays for that
cake order completely one month ahead of her wedding date. This allows
me to work on flowers, lace work, plaques, color flow designs, fondant
embellishments and etc for a month before her cake is due. I never make
flowers, leaves and etc until that cake is totally paid for. If her cake
is being decorated with fresh flowers and the grooms cake is decorated
with fresh chocolate dipped strawberries then they must have the entire
amount paid for two weeks ahead of the wedding. Which gives her check time
to clear my bank before the wedding day. Check with your bank to be sure
that is enough time for your checks to clear. I had one wedding a couple
of years ago and the check was on a new Mexico bank. It came back two days
after the wedding. When I called the mother she assured me that it was
good and asked me to please put it through the bank again. Guess what?
It bounced sky high. I ended up taking it to the district attorneys office
and because I had not gotten a drivers license on her check - I probably
will never be able to collect that money. With a drivers license number
on the check they could find her - but I did not know that then. Protect
yourself and deposit those checks at least two weeks before the wedding
date and get a drivers license number on all the checks given to you.
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Cakestmper: Without pictures, I cant remember what I've done myself.
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DragoDan: dummies in your store dont hurt either
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Chefcakes: I have pictures of almost everything I've done. Interesting
to watch you maturity
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AnnieCraft: and don't rely on the customer to send you a picture. They
usually forget
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Dolores777: I get the phot. name and call them myself. But some phot. will
give me photos. Another thing, DO get ALL the phone#s you can...caterer,
photg, etc...in case of something like what happened to Pwd
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CAKESUP: Pictures can save you if something happens to the cake after you
leave it. That happen to me once.
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DragoDan: its always nice to work with people you know
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NRJCAKE: Pwd, are the florist, etc. willing to talk if you just walk in
off the street?
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Dolores777: I bet ALL the florist in Lubbock know Pwd sugar!!!!
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Pwd Sugar: RIght - And my cakes in their sample albums don't hurt either
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NRJCAKE: Pwd, don't most brides get the cake from the Hall that they book
the wedding at?
Remember to get good photographs of those wedding cakes this year. This
is your reference with future brides. Without pictures they don't really
know what you are capable of doing.
Are you networking with other bridal businesses in your area. Your best
references can come from caterers, florist, and photographers. These are
the people who you make look good. The caterers know whose cakes cut nicely,
taste good and look good. They also appreciate delivery promptness. If
you make them look good then they will refer brides to you.
(I have three caterers who refer to me) The florist has a high profile
job in a wedding. His flowers make (the bridal party, the church, the reception
area and sometimes the cake ) beautiful stunning showpieces. When the best
florists in town know that your cakes look good, taste good and have a
good texture that will not fall apart when they put fresh flowers on them
- then they will refer brides to you.
(I have five florist who refer brides to me) Photographers have the
memory making job. Everyone works to build a photographic image for the
photographers. All of the dresses, tuxes, flowers, scenery, cakes and people
make their picture pallets. A photographer sees
(1) if people eat your cake (or take one bite and throw it away),
(2) if your cake is leaning,
(3) if your cake is presented nicely and
(4) if your cake decorating is above average for your area. (I have
five photographers who refer brides to me)
So you see these thirteen businesses refer lots of brides to me.
Networking builds your wedding cake business. In turn I also let the
brides know (if asked) the best people in town for their needs. Remember
most of these brides have not done this before and welcome some help from
you. Networking helps you and you in turn can help refer to those businesses
also. You will have knowledge that these brides need. Who is on time? Who's
bouquets fall apart? Who's food is really good? Who rants and raves and
is always late? Sometimes I tell them that the best person to answer their
questions is the photographer. The photographer sees a wedding from start
to finish and they know who causes problems and who bends over backwards
to help things go smoothly.
Stock up on ingredients so that you are not running to the store frequently
when you are so busy. Time is money. I have a spread sheet that a friend
helped me make several years ago when I got my first computer. It lists
all of the ingredients that are used in my cake recipes. The recipes are
in columns and all I have to do is enter how many servings that I need
of each kind of cake and it makes me a list of what is needed. I print
that list and check off what is on hand and with list in hand go to Sam's,
the grocery store and it sure makes my shopping easier. I don't make so
many trips to the store now for something that got forgotten as an ingredient.
If you are interested in a copy of this format just e-mail me your snail
mail address. I don't think I can send this to you in a file by e-mail.
Last weeks cake with the red, magenta and purple was very striking and
set up beautifully. The 7 hours to deliver and set up the cake 150 miles
away made for a very-very long delivery day.
I love this time of year because many of the summer brides get a little
more creative with their cakes. I have one cake the middle of June that
will be completely covered with embossed fondant roses on buttercream icing
to look similar to her dress. She has the lace roses on her entire dress
and I will strive for that same type of look on her cake. "fun to do new
things." This cake will also have cascading white and ivory gumpaste flowers
and leaves and lace points. It could be a case of over cake decoratoritis.
LOL it will certainly be different and should be gorgeous.
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NRJCAKE: Pwd, how much does a cake like that cost?
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Pwd Sugar: Depending on the type of flowers they want from $9 to $12 a
serving. LOTS of work - LOTS of time and time is money
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NRJCAKE: What do you mean depends on the type of flowers?
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Pwd Sugar: SOme Gumpaste flowers are harder to make than others. If they
want all very small flowers and no big space occupying flowers it is higher
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SlimNSassy: Pwd....how do you charge? by the person?
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Pwd Sugar: By the serving Pwd Sugar: Right - It probably will take a dozen
flowers to fill up the space one lilly with six petals would occupy
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Dolores777: ICES: Isn't JUNE 1 the deadline for early registration for
the ICES convention? Price goes u
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Pwd Sugar: Right Dee - June 1 - get that registration in
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Shavkin: Pwd... Let us all know what your demoing at convention
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Pwd Sugar: Versatile Lace Wraps - I just got four new ones in today from
Rosemary to play with before convention
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Pwd Sugar: Demoing in Florida - How many ways you can use the new one piece
lace wraps. Rosemary Watson makes these lace wrap molds and you can use
them on buttercream Chocolate, fondant and etc. Very versitle and less
expensive than the two piece mold. She just sent me four BRAND NEW LACE
WRAP MOLDS YES - very easy - especially with the short cuts I have now.
Love the one piece molds and the many ways you can use them. The wraps
are the silicone molds and you can make fondant, chocolate or buttercream
lace on your cakes with them
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NRJCAKE: Pwd, are the wraps of gumpaste...used on buttercream? Pwd, does
the buttercream have to be stiff to be wrapped?
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CB332: i have one of the smaller wraps but have yet to try it out. any
tips?
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Pwd Sugar: Regular buttercream icing is used - not stiff at all
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Wigglebott: a good buttercream is the best
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Pwd Sugar: The two piece molds cannot be used with regular buttercream.
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Shavkin: Pwd .... will u be demoing the wraps at the evening of sharing
this year. Last year, I got to "peek" and see your lovely cake that u were
working on during the evening of sharing
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Pwd Sugar: HRJCAKE you can order a catalog from Sugar Bouquets, 23 North
Star Drive, Morristown, NJ O7960 I think the catalog cost is a couple of
dollars CB332: which is better with wrap.. fondant or buttercr.?
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Pwd Sugar: I use all buttercream, buttercream with fondant lace or fondant
with fondant Pwd Sugar: The two piece molds cannot be used with regular
buttercream.
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NRJCAKE: Shavkin, at the night of sharing can you get up close to see what
people are demoing?
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(From Dolores --- YES, you just mill around and watch whomever you like
as long as you like. Mostly, they do the demo over a few times.)
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NRJCAKE: Delores, My cancelled check for convention reg. came back, but
no packet! Cakestmper: Contact registration chairperson, the person you
sent check to originally
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CAKESUP: Packet will come before long. We put them together a couple of
weekends ago.
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Shavkin: When you get to convention. Go "immediately" to the registration
area....and register. You will get your packet that has in it: your badge
that must be worn for all events except the Saturday night banquet which
is "The Enchanted Ball". Black tie for the attire for the gentlemen, only
if desired to do so. Some will really dress up and some will not. It is
up to the ind. that must be worn for all. There will be your ticket for
the General Membership Mtg on Fri. morning. It is a breakfast and starts
at 7:30 am. In packet, there is the ballot to vote for President and other
ICES officers and for 7 Board members. You can vote for up to 7.... you
do not have to pick 7; you can pick less; but no more than 7 or your vote
won't count. You must bring ur ballot to the meeting as no ballots will
be handed out at the mtg. You will also get your voting sheet that you
will use as a "flag" to vote if there are any motions placed on the floor.
On the back of the voting sheet will probably be the resumes of all of
the candidates. You also get a book for keep as a momento which has all
the Reps, Board member pics, Founder's pic, etc. and the events of the
convention
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Shavkin: One thing at convention re' packet is to be sure to keep the small
handbook with u because it has the demo schedule and the events schedule
in it. And, if u lose it, you get no other
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SlimNSassy: where is ICES? Dolores777: Shavkin - Pwd, when ARE packets
sent? 2 dif. places I bet NR
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SlimNSassy: Dol....when?
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Cakestmper: Convention dates are Aug 7-10 Chefcakes: new to the web. what
is ICES
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DragoDan: can someone give me the ICES web page?
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Dolores777: thats http://www.ices.org
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Dolores777: It is our org. for cake decorating Chef:::
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Cakestmper: International Cake Exploration Societe Shavkin: ICES is for
anyone interesting in the art of cake decorating. The purpose of the organization
is to promote the art of cake decorating.
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Chefcakes: is there membership, publications?
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Dolores777: $27.00 per yr and a newsletter
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Dolores777: You can read about it on aol/"cake dec. online/"discuss cake
decorating" Chef ... Pwd sugar put all kinds of info in our cake dec. topics.
You can learn so much there JNMmccann: those of you involved in ICES? do
you network with other bakers in Ca. more specifically S.F
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NRJCAKE: Shavkin, have you been cake decorating long?
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Shavkin: NR... Yes, since 1969. I do not do much cake dec anymore; mostly
things for convention and days of sharing.. I used to travel to teach,
but only do that very infrequently now. My specialty is gumpaste woodgraining
effects, woodland scenes and miniatures. I mainly do candy as my sideline
business now.
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NRJCAKE: Shavkin, sounds interesting! Do you work out of your home?
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Shavkin: Yes, I have a workroom downstairs with 12 feet of cabinet space
and a formica-covered pool table. I have been doing candy since 1978..
I am doing a display for Florida's convention. The cake will be covered
in rolled fondant. The top will have 8 discs of pink chocolate that has
3-D, free-hand painted bunnies (with clothes) and decorated Easter eggs.
The center disk says, "Happy Easter". that is printed with an artist brush
& lavender chocolate. NRJCAKE: Shavkin, sounds like Bas relief? Sounds
incredible! How much time will it take? Shavkin: Isn't Bas relief with
gumpaste?
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NRJCAKE: Yes, but it is the painting that seems to make it so different.
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Shavkin: Doesn't take much time to paint. I love it so much! I enjoy the
3-D painting and do lots of it on my regular orders. Just not as involved
as with the bunnies. For instance, my chocolate houses have the fronts
painted with "lights", wreathes, candles in the window, etc. I don't think
it's like Bas relief.
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NRJCAKE: Shavkin, do you have a background in art? I've been decorating
for 6 years but my background isn't art. I sew, cook, etc. and that helps.
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Shavkin: No formal teaching in art. It just comes to me somehow. I have
read some books such as an art book to try to understand "perspective".
Which I found that issue to be difficult but, somehow learned it, too.
I understand that my uncle painted. Uncle on my father's side. My sister,
Joan, when she was alive started to take lessons in art around 1969. Then,
my mother did that, too. Both of them started cake decorating around that
time, too. And, my sister Iris was also cake decorating. So, they sent
me some tips and a Wilton book to read. Mom showed me a few basics in painting.
Not much. She was taking lessons and working on a picture and the teacher
was astonished at what she was creating without much in
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NRJCAKE: Shavkin, sounds like it came naturally to you.
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Shavkin: Yes. But that Australian decorating.. Forget it. I just couldn't
sit there and do one string after another. I have much better at hand molding
and putting clothes on gp miniature animals than doing things that have
to be done a certain way and that's it or the flower is just not a pansy,
rose, etc.
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NRJCAKE: Shavkin, I enjoy the Australian decorating. It is tedious, but
the results are pretty. I Shavkin: I took a class from Betty Van years,
ago, and we were all supposed to make those lace points. Oh, my! I did
not like doing those. Same thing one after another.
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NRJCAKE: Shavkin, I registered and paid my deposit for hotel...haven't
bought plane ticket yet
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Shavkin: Then, from Eleanor Reilander, we did flowers. Soon, as I got to
do the miniature iris -I was in my glory. Fun fun fun!
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Shavkin: NR... About the chcolate painting... I might be doing that at
midyear 1998 in Kansas City. Carolyn wants me to possibly do something
in chocolate. She would like me to demo the chocolate house either there
or sometime for convention. I did the 3-D chocolate painting about 2 years
ago at convention. Last year I did "How to set up a gumpaste woodland miniature
scene and how to prepare the dummy for the lake, stream, paths, etc.
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Psous: Sounds lovely. Can you or have you thought of substituting applesauce
for all that oil?
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Pwd Sugar: Haven't tried it yet with the applesauce instead of oil. Considering
this is 1/2 cake mixes that is not so much oil.
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Psous: Most of the new wave are working with applesauce. Cutting the oil.
It works well.
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LadyWest2: Apple sauce works great Ps, I use it all the time, bananas,
juice, lots of things
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SlimNSassy: Psous...is it an even swap....ie. one cup for one cup oil,
etc.
***Here is another doctored cake mix recipe.
I think I finally have this strawberry cake (cake mix) recipe right.
If you have time check it out. I have been working on this recipe for several
years and would welcome your input.
Please let me know if you try it - is it just right___ to dry __ to
moist__ enough flavor__ other comment _____________________
STRAWBERRY CAKE WITH A MIX
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2 1/2 strawberry (Duncan Hines) cake mixes
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1 1/2 cups of egg whites
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1 cup of whole eggs
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2 cups of strawberries pureed in the blender
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2 packages of unsweetened strawberry Kool-Aid
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1 pound of sour cream
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3/4 cup of Wesson oil
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3/4 cup of flour
Mix thoroughly but do not over-beat Fill greased and floured pans 1/2 full
Bake 1 hr to 1 hr and 20 minutes at 325 degrees.
Shavkin: Here's a sugar free dessert to share:
MOUSSE AU CHOCOLATE:
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2 oz.bitter chocolate
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3 T. boiling water
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4 pkgs. Equal
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1 t. rum flavoring
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2 eggs - separated.
Grate chocolate and place in blender. Add boiling water, and rum flavoring
- blend 1 minute. Add equal and egg yolks, blending well. Beat egg whites
until stiff. Fold chocolate mixture into egg whites. Spoon into dessert
dishes and chill until firm. (mixture sets upon chilling). Garnish with
whipped cream. 4 servings. This is a recipe from a friend, Nancy Hofsommer,
who now lives in SC and is an ICES member. This recipe is from a friend
of mine who has lots of great sugar free recipes.
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MMP77: SHAVKIN, no sugar in the bitter chocolate??
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Shavkin: Buy unsweetened bakers chocolate for no sugar.
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Millie D2: How do you store piping gel once its been opened?
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Dolores777: In the fridge Millie - seal tight so it won't dry up and thicken.
(Can thin with Karo syrup too).
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Ising C: has anyone crystallized pansies this year? Saw some beauties at
Cake Club this week. I'm not sure of the full tech, missed part of the
meeting. Anyone help on crystallizing? I think something about egg whites
and sugar sprinkles over them. First they washed the pansies, then used
an egg white wash or something. then sprinkled fine gran sugar over the
petals. They looked great. the colors this year look great.
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EleCre: Brush with egg whites and sprinkle with superfine sugar. let them
air dry
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Chefcakes: She says that she's try crystallizing and the petal wither.
Suggestions?
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In the JUNE issue of American Cake Decorating Magazine," it gives in
complete detail, the instructions for sugaring real flowers. Great article.
This magazine is available in most book stores. You can also contact them
on their web page at http://www.cakemag.com
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MMP77: PWD do u do wedding cheesecakes? are they harder to work with?
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Pwd Sugar: NO to the cheesecakes
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Dolores777: I don't do cheesecakes either---not enough refrigerators
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Chefcakes: I've done individual cheesecakes and made arrangements, but
never the traditional stacked or tiered. how large were the cheesecakes?
bigger then 10"
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MMP77: hmmmm bottom looked bigger than 10", then got smaller was choc.
cheesecake swirl for nearly 175
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NRJCAKE: Pwd, do you do mostly gumpaste flowers this time of year?
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Pwd Sugar: I do lots of gumpaste this time of year but I also use royal
flowers in some of those arrangements. Especially if they are wanting to
cut their cost. NRJCAKE: Pwd, will florist, etc. talk to you "off the street."
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Pwd Sugar: You bet the florist, caterers and photographers are now good
friends. We are all the best in town - So it is nice to work with the best.
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Cakestmper: I did a cake with castle from American Cake Decorator magazine,
white gum paste over styrofoam with lots of gold accents, used for centerpiece
with 3 tiers of cake.
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NRJCAKE: Pwd, how much does a cake like that cost?
NEXT WEEK: Thursday, June 5, 1997 at 9 PM ET in the
Kitchen Conference Room -- Cake Decorating with Dolores777 and Pwd sugar.
"Graduation Ideas" Tis the season for celebrating. Recipes and decorating
ideas for you. Have your questions ready.
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