Cake decorating chat Thursday June
5, 1997 "Graduation Ideas" Tis the season for celebrating. Recipes and
decorating ideas for you.
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SOCIALDOT: Does anyone know the chat schedule--it only went through yesterday!
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(From Dolores) I post the cake decorating chat schedule in our ‘Discuss
Cake Decorating’ area of AOL each month. You can always check there.
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Lizzzie P: Is there much around Ocala in the way of cake shops?
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Gertoo: Liz - I only know of one the Sugar Plum Shop
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CreAteCak: Dol, the buggy cake in the june newsletter--how many does it
serve?
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(From Dolores) It is the Wilton long loaf pan and one- 2-layer 8-inch cake.
This should serve 20-25, depending on WHO you serve it to….Teens eat more
than a group of ladies.
Earlene's Part:
Graduation time is time to pull out the school logos and the silhouettes
of graduates. Either one of these items can be used in many forms to accent
those special graduate cakes.
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1. Draw your pattern - tape wax paper securely onto a stiff cardboard surface
- grease very lightly with Crisco - wipe most of the crisco off of the
wax paper - slip your pattern under the wax paper and pipe the outline
of the design with a 2 or 3 tip over the paper design with royal icing
in an appropriate color. Color royal icing the appropriate fill in colors
and thin slightly with lemon juice. It should go flat when dropped onto
the surface of the icing in the bowl at a count of ten. Fill a parchment
bag with a very tight point. Cut a small opening and flow the design color
in moving from side to side to prevent drying lines.
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Use a small pin to encourage icing into difficult corners and to pop tiny
air bubbles. You want the fill in icing to be very puffy - but be careful
to not go over your outline lines. Make a few test puddles. (just round
drops about the size of a nickel. These will let you check to see if your
icing is dry without disturbing your design.) Let dry 24 to 48 hours depending
on your humidity or put in a cool heat humidifier. High heat will melt
the wax paper and you will not be able to remove it from your design. If
you want this to stand you will need to glue (with royal icing) toothpicks
or flat popsicle craft sticks to the back of your logo or silhouette when
it is dry. If you want your design to lay on your cake at a 45 degree angle
you will need to make some triangle shapes ( at least two) to fit behind
your design for support (from royal icing). This type of sugar pieces can
be easily worked into a sugar flower arrangement on a tiered cake or a
sheet cake. Plus these designs can be made weeks or months ahead of time.
We have the Texas tech university here in Lubbock. When I make up icing
to do some of the double t designs, I may do a dozen of them. Then when
one is needed on a cake I just pull out the drawer and they are ready and
available for use.
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2. Rice paper is another easy way to do a logo or silhouette on a cake.
Mary Beth Enderson has a technique called royal rice paper. She draws the
front of the design on one sheet of rice paper. The back of the design
on another sheet of rice paper. Cut out both the front and the back (the
outline cuts must be identical). Then spread a thin coat of royal icing
on the back of one design and press the other side of the design on top
of it. Be sure and clean any excess icing away. Place wax paper under and
over this whole piece and place a book on top to keep the entire piece
flat. When it is totally dry it is sturdy enough to stand by itself and
light enough to not sink into the cake.
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3. Buttercream stencils work great for the silhouettes of the graduates
on a buttercream cake.
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4. The silhouettes could also be cut from gumpaste or pastillage and dried
and just layed on your cakes.
MaraTLee: How about making silhouettes out of cookies and laying them...down
Last week we had some discussion on the lace wraps that sugar bouquets
make. If you have your new ices newsletter you will find instructions on
how to use these wraps. These instructions are basically the hand out sheet
information I will use for my demo at ices this year. The silicone wraps
are one piece molds that allow you to transfer lace patterns easily to
your cakes. The wraps are much less expensive than the two piece molds
and can be used on buttercream, chocolate, fondant and ganache.
I just received from Rosemary (last week) four brand new designs that
will be included in her new catalog. It sure is fun for me to be able to
play with new things that will be available in august at the ices show.
One of the new designs is a pretty scallop that can be used on the sides
of a two layer cake. I can envision this with over-piping and cornelli
or soto above that on the sides and over the top of the cake. She has a
neat leaf pattern that could be used this same way. Both of these pieces
are about eight inches long and about one and a half to two inches tall.
One of my favorite lace 2 piece molds was #8n460 and it sells for $105.50
from rosemary at sugar bouquets. The same pattern in the one piece lace
wrap is #10w460 and the cost is $29.50. That is a huge savings for you.
And the wrap will basically do the same things and more but it just has
to be handled slightly different.
Sugar bouquets address is 23 north star drive - Morristown, new jersey
07960 Phone number is (201 - 538 - 3542) phone order no. is (800) 203 -
0629 Fax no. is (201) 538 - 4939 and there is a minimal charge for the
catalog.
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MaraTLee: Pwd sugar, the only thing is you need to work with at least 2...I
have some, I like them too, I'm try to order them 2 at a time...
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Pwd Sugar: I find that one is sufficient for me but you may be using them
different
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Dolores777: we got the other brand of lace press and they don't work as
well. Sticks in mold terribly. We also have several of Rosemary’s that
work as promised…Worth the extra $s.
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Dolores777: congratulations Pwd:::your article in ICES newsletter
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Pwd Sugar: That was a surprise - I did not know Marsha had that - I was
hoping she would use it after my demo in August
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Szyhmkr: Does ICES newsletter contain color photos?
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Pwd Sugar: ICES newsletter has four pages of color pictures - but not on
the Lace Wraps…
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Dolores777: ICES web site: http://www.ices.org
HINTS AND TIPS When you are stacking your layer cakes - use two flat cookie
sheets to flip your top cake. Sprinkle powdered sugar on the top of the
layer. Slip one cookie sheet under the cake - place another one on the
top of that layer and flip - now slide that layer off of the cookie sheet
and on to the bottom layer. The powdered sugar allows that cake layer to
slide and not stick to your cookie sheet. The powdered sugar will dissolve
into the icing below and will not show when the cake is cut. Parchment
paper works great as tracing paper when you need a sheet to transfer a
design onto one of your cakes. Trace your design - lay the parchment paper
on top of a large piece of styrafoam and with a corsage pin punch holes
in your lines of your design. Hold it up occasionally to the light to be
sure you are marking all lines needed. When the entire pattern is complete
lay the paper on the top of your cake and with a cotton ball (dipped in
cocoa) rub over all of the lines gently. This will imprint your design
on the top of your cake with little cocoa dots. Using your writing tip
go over the outline of your design and fill in with small stars to finish
your design.
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MaraTLee: how about that marshmallow cream rec...please!
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Cakestmper: Marshmellow flo is marshmellow in a jar, heat it and flo in
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RioJazz: Do you really make money making cakes??
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Pwd Sugar: If I didn't make money I would probably still do this - but
making money at this is. It takes lots of work and time to make money in
this business .
Dolores' Part:
Graduation time is our busiest of the entire season. It doesn't last
but a few weeks, but it seems that every graduate MUST have a cake. And
people order larger cakes than the usual. Large cakes are probably a good
idea since teenagers may eat more than other groups would. It is not unusual
for us to have several 100 serving sheet cake orders for one day.
DECORATIONS are usually done to match the school colors. Requests are
sometimes made for decorations for a girl's cake to be feminine -and a
boy's masculine. For 100 serving sheet cakes we charge $42.50 base price.
Plastics or ceramic figurines are sold separately. The grad cap cake, also
sold separately we charge $3.00. The price is a bit high, but we place
the cake on 2 large cardboards and in a corrugated box with a window lid.
TIERED GRAD CAKE: See my daughter's graduation cake on my web site at:
http://w3.one.net/~proicer/index.html - The cake features THE STORY OF
HER LIFE - to the big day. Find it from my Home Page under HOLIDAYS or
choose SPECIAL TECHNIQUES and it will be under GUM PASTE. I have provided
2 photos for you. This REALLY was my daughter Sue's cake created for her
when she graduated high school. Then I reproduced it again for a cake show
later on. I made a baby in a cradle, a little girl with her dolly, a teenager
with roller skates and a graduate. The cake is 3-tier with a stairway leading
down to a small cake on the table. I placed the figures on the stairway
with the graduate on the top. Directions are provided on my web site.
ANOTHER GRADUATION CAKE IDEA is included in this month's Sugarcraft
newsletter (front page).
My newsletter IS already on my web page. I did upload it to AOL Libraries
also, under Cooking Club Windows Libraries but I have no idea when they'll
choose to upload it to you.
It features a grad hat. The cap is made in the petite doll pan with
the mortar board made using a graham cracker dipped in preferred color
of coating chocolate. Write 'class of 97' on the mortar board and name
of high school on the front - or just the school letter(s). USAGE: This
cake can be placed on a tiered cake or any size sheet cake.
For a tiered cake, either place the grad hat on top, or between the
tiers with a plastic or ceramic figurine on top. Add a long stemmed buttercream
rose, tip 125. I use tip 5 for the stem add a few 'stickers' too. Pipe
the rose and lay it on-side - add sepals, tip 4-5, for realism. Add two
or three tip 67 or 70 leaves.
Did everyone see Pwd sugar's article about the Lace Wraps in
the JUNE ICES newsletter? Nice Earlene!
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MaraTLee: Dolores what is the dimensions of your sheet cakes? I was asking
because it seems the sizes vary.. and I would like to know that I'm giving
the right servings for the customers money
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(From Dolores) We have 8 1/2 x 11 (quarter sheet, 10 x 14, 11 x 15 (half
sheet), 12 x 18, 22 x 15 (I think this one is correct - full sheet)
Someone asked me for this icing a few weeks ago. You can
substitute any cake of course.
CHOCOLATE CAKE WITH FLUFFY COCONUT FROSTING found on the web somewhere.
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1 3/4 c. flour
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2 c. sugar
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3/4 c. cocoa
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1 1/2 t. baking powder
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1 1/2 t. baking soda
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3/4 t. salt
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2 eggs
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1 c. milk
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1/2 c. oil
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2 t. vanilla
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1 c. boiling water
Combine first 6 ingredients in a large mixer bowl. Add eggs, milk, oil,
and vanilla. Beat 2 min. at medium speed. At lowest speed, mix in boiling
water (batter will be thin). Pour into 2 greased & floured 8" round
glass baking pans. Bake at 350 degrees for 20 - 30 min., or till cake tester
inserted in center comes out clean. Cool in pans. Meanwhile, make the frosting:
FLUFFY COCONUT FROSTING:
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1 1/2 c. sugar
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2 egg whites
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1 T. light corn syrup
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1 1/2 t. vanilla
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1/2 t. orange extract
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1/2 t. almond extract
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1/4 t. salt
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1/2 c. water
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1 c. shredded coconut
In top of a double boiler, with mixer at high speed, beat all ingredients
except coconut, till blended, about 1 min. Place over rapidly boiling water;
beat at high speed till soft peaks form (this may take 7 - 8 min.) Pour
into large mixer bowl and beat till thick enough to spread. When cake is
completely cooled, spread frosting between layers and on top and sides.
Sprinkle coconut on top and press onto sides of cake. Yield: 16 - 20 servings.
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RAL900: my mother made cakes when we were young and put like devil dog
filling in the middle
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Pwd Sugar: What is devil dogs????
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Shavkin: Devil dogs are long (oblong) chocolate cakes (one per person)
filled with a great white fill
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CreAteCak: Choc cake with white filling, with Fudge icing on top---SUGAR
SHOCK!!
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MaraTLee: Pwd. like yodles but no crispy chocolate icing or rolled up
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ShesACookn: Devil dogs made by drakes cakes... think it is a north eastern
item
FROM Shavkin: DEVIL DOGS
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2 c flour 1 c sugar
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2 egg yolks
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5 tbsp cocoa
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1 tsp baking powder
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1 tsp. baking soda
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1 tsp salt
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1/2 c cooking oil
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1 tsp vanilla
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1 c milk.
Cream oil and sugar, egg yolks and mix well. Sift together cocoa, flour,
B.P., baking soda, vanilla milk. and salt. Add alternately to sugar mixture
with milk and vanilla. Drop by tsp. two or 3 inches apart on greased cookie
(or make into oblong shape) sheet. Bake at 375 deg F ten to 12 minutes.
Let cool and spread with filling. Put together like sandwiches.
DEVIL DOGS FILLING
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1/2 c shortening (Crisco)
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2 cup powdered sugar
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2 egg whites
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1 tsp. Vanilla
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1 pinch salt.
(You probably will need an egg white substitute because of health reasons,
This recipe was given to me back in the 50's before the egg white "scare".
and a pinch of salt. Put all ingredients in bowl. Beat with electric beater.
Spread with consistency. I don't think it needs to be refrigerator.
CreAteCak: shav, I use the cheat method...I use DH cake mix (devil
food one) and then proceed. I use a sheet cake and cut it into little rectangles
about 2 1/2 " by 3" and then I take regular buttercream and pipe it on
top and then I drizzle some heated fudge icing on top. ( I use spread n
gloss) --- its the cheater method, but it sure works for me!!
Photogra4: RAL, I made pistachio frosting for the dark chocolate cake,
it was so easy and tasted great.
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PISTACHIO FROSTING
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1 cup milk
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1 cup whipping cream
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1 pkg. pistachio instant pudding
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Beat for 2 min. It is so nice a thick it is just like whipped cream
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MaraTLee: You can also use Riche's non-dairy whipped topping, Pistachio
pudding, just use larger tips to pipe, the nuts clog the tips
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Cakestmper: I rubber stamp on cakes, or try to anyway
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CreAteCak: rubber stamp on cakes? HOW?
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Cakestmper: Press stamp into food color, press into rolled fondant
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PwdSugar: Gets me some "really cute mail" too. The Postmaster gets a copy
to LOL
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Cakestmper: Warm up a sheet of chocolate, and press rubber stamp into chocolate
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CreAteCak: How NEAT!! I would have never tried that...now I will!
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Dolores777: Shavkin and Pwd and all...do you have any news about the up-coming
cake convention in FL?
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Pwd Sugar: I noticed an official note in this newsletter that we will be
allowed to do Disney characters on the cakes - but we will have to sign
a note that we are not selling them
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Cakestmper: Convention is going great, I am fl rep. Get those registrations
in soon, we're looking ward to seeing everyone. Disney cakes will be allowed.,
and big dress up ball, too!
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Gertoo: pwd - when is convention?
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Convention is Aug 7 to 10
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Pwd Sugar: We are working on name tags for us "Chatters" to be able to
recognize each other at the ICES show. More about them later
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CAKESUP: Nice idea Pwd, Special name tags would be fantastic.
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Aseteur: Do any of you use rum flavor in your frosting?
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Dolores777: yes Aset - I know someone who does....butter - rum and vanilla
flavors GREAT
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MaraTLee: With the meringue buttercream you can add 2 to 6 oz of your favorite
liquor
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Aseteur: I do the same Dolores and people really love it - I think the
rum cuts the sweet
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RAL900: i love Amaretta or Frangelico or chambered raspberry liqueur divine
yummmmmm
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Pwd Sugar: Has anyone gotten the new book that was to be released June
1st by Scott Wooley
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Cakestmper: Where do we get Scott Wooley book? He sent me a video tape
several years ago and he is super talented Brand new cake decorating book
that was to be released the 1st of June. He does gorgeous gumpaste and
very creative general decorating
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Dolores777: Amazon books sells it online. I think there web site is http://www/amazon.com
(not sure)
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Photogra4: I need a good tasting frosting that can be used on decorated
cakes. Any of you have one?
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Pwd Sugar: Photogra4 go to the Discuss cake decorating area and my icing
recipe: Cream cheese in that icing and very tasty
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Aseteur: Has anyone seen an armadillo cake pan - I get asked for a groom
cake with red velvet cake inside - you know like the movie
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MaraTLee: Ase, I think that was created, not a pan
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Aseteur: I think so too Mara - was hoping
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MaraTLee: Do you have a 1/2 football pan? Then bake the cake there and
add legs, snout, tail with fondant or rolled buttercream Don't forget to
score the "dillo's armor!
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GWMS: I am having trouble finding anyone to teach gumpaste Driveway: you
can teach yourself gumpaste GW.
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Dolores777: GW::at ices you can see a lot of this
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MaraTLee: Rosemary has a great GP video also
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Gertoo: i hate to sound dumb - what’s gumpaste?
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Dolores777: its a candy clay Ger
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Pwd Sugar: Gumpaste is a sugar paste that you can make flowers, leaves,
figures, etc It gets hard and will hold its shape for years
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GWMS: Pwd any good instructional book(s) for gum paste or better yet video?
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Pwd Sugar: Nicholas Lodge has book and videos He has several books and
several videos. Nicholas is in the Atlanta area - Yes
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Driveway: How much would you all charge for 1/4 sheet cake and 1/2 sheet
cake with standard decoration
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Pwd Sugar: Depends on what is on that cake
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Driveway : what do you mean what's on the cake? just basic decorations.
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Pwd Sugar: I don't do a cake for less than $25 But I don't really do many
sheet cake - I don't have the time Dolores777:
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Drive - we charge 15-16.00 for 1/4 sheet to start
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Driveway: how much should I charge?
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Aseteur: !/4 sheet - I charge 15.00 price goes up if there are lots of
flowers
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CreAteCak: drive.. here in La. I get $11 for a rose 1/4 and $18 for a rose
1/2
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Dolores777: Drive;;; all areas are different...wish you knew what others
charge...where are you?
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Driveway: no flowers just regular decs. just like any other good decorator.
professionally done
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Pwd Sugar: Driveway I cannot see your work and therefore it is very hard
to tell you that It also makes a difference in where you live and the going
price for cakes
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Aseteur: Drive where you are located makes a difference
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Driveway: large metropolitan city
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CreAteCak: drive, if I put novelty on then 1/4 starts at $16 and up and
1/2 starts at $23 and up
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MaraTLee: to set your price you must do research in your area for same
product and see if you can make money (profit) selling your cakes for the
average..
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Driveway: what size would you make to serve 35 people for a graduation
party?
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Dolores777: I would make a 11x15 drive
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Pwd Sugar: 11 X 15 serves 35 exactly
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CB332: Drive.. check out the web page for Schroeder's bakery. they list
sizes, prices, styles.
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Driveway: Wilton's has conflicting numbers on serving.
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CreAteCak: drive, get powder sugars serving size chart ---more accurate!!
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Aseteur: Drive - Remember that the fancier the cake the more it costs I
do a violet cake that serves
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Aseteur: 15 and charge $45
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CreAteCak: Well, I know that people will pay more for fresh, moist, beautiful
cakes!
Next week's chat: " Why do the
Brides wait so long to order their cakes?" Lots of ideas to make order-taking
easier.
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