Thursday, July 3, 1997 at 9 PM ET in the Kitchen
Conference Room -- Cake Decorating with Dolores777 and Pwd sugar. "Help
with baking problems"
FROM DOLORES
BAKING TIPS: I spray my cake pans with Karp's commercial pan spray instead
of grease/flouring. I do spray the sides, but Pwd sugar doesn't - whatever
works best for you. This just shows that we can be successful and still
do things differently.
Beat your cake mixes exactly the time specified on the box. If you lose
track, it will only beat more air in if you beat an extra minute. But if
you don't beat long enough, your cake may fall while baking. After you
fill the pan, tap it on the table a few times to get rid of tunnels of
air pockets. Spin the cake pan and bring the batter up around the sides.
This helps it bake more level by putting more of the batter around the
outer edge where the cake gets hot first.
Bake a cake until its done - NOT exactly what time the box tells you
to. To test, I press my finger lightly in the center of the cake, If it
BARELY springs back up, I remove it from the oven.
Flatten any humps on the cake as soon as you remove it from the oven
- lay a dish towel on the cake and gently press it flat. If cake is over-done,
it will just spring back up and you must use a serrated-edges knife to
shave the hump off. If cake is lop-sided, shave off the hump and add some
scraps of this to the low side. Let set to cool in pans for 10 or more
minutes. Turn cake out bottom-up. I turn the cake out onto a cardboard
cake circle. I always let the bottom cake get cold, spread icing on it,
then place the top layer on, right out of the pan. Let both layers cool
several hours before icing it.
Once you've iced the cake, if BUGES occur around the middle - this is
because the cakes were put together with humps left on. Once the cake sets
awhile the sides will fall down, bulging out the icing. To prevent this,
shave off humps and also let the cake set for several hours UNICED. This
will give time for it to settle.
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Pwd Sugar: Dee I level mine and I still have a slight buldge after they
sit overnight. This is why I only crumb coat and then the next day I trim
that bulge and ice I level, fill, stack, crumb coat and leave overnight
to settle
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Dolores777: don't know why - do you put the layers together while they
sit? Otherwise, this may be the result of cake shrinkage. IS this 'just'
a box mix, or was it a 'doctored up' one? The ingredients could be a little
off and cause this too.
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Chefcakes: Dolores - have you ever wrapped a wet paper towel around cake
pan before baking - it helps prevent bumps
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Dolores777: not often...but I used Magic Cake Strips when I did it
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Pwd Sugar: Chef I wrap wet towel strips and this does help a lot
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Chefcakes: I've used magic strips too but towels are less expensive
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WARNING! I would NEVER use paper towels in the oven. The resulting chance
of a fire will make Magic Cake Strips VERY cheap to buy!
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Hovita: Delores777 is there any reason why it would be impossible for to
use brown sugar when making a panoramic sugar egg
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Pwd Sugar: I don't know Hovita - I never tried that - I can't see any reason
that brown
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Pwd Sugar: sugar wouldn't work
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MaraTLee: Since brown sugar has a higher moisture content...it would melt
when you stick in the oven to dry the sugar egg....
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Pwd Sugar: Brn sugar already has the moisture in it
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Pwd Sugar: Depends on where you live
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SHavkin - Hi humidity areas sometimes need the oven
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Hovita: Shavkin i find you don't have to wait all that long to touch them
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Shavkin: Oh, really. Didn't know that. We have hi humidity in the summer
in the Hudson Valley I don't put any sugar eggs in the oven. I always air
dry.
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Chefcakes: I've done eggs both ways - depending on how much time I have
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MaraTLee: I trust the eggs more when I dry in oven...
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MCDCJC3: Dolores777 but I always do that and my cake come fluffy light
and giant200 degrees for 10 to 20 min...
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Shavkin: Why? Mara.
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Pwd Sugar: As long as the sugar has the consistency of wet sand it should
work for eggs
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Dolores777: I always dry my eggs in the oven...me too
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Mara Hovita: bake at 200 for 20 min you still have tobe careful but it
works
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NOTE: As Mara and I said, we use the oven. You aren't really 'baking'
them, only drying. In humid areas, this method is at least, consistent
for us.
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MaraTLee: I use the egg white or reconstituted egg white and it helps to
cook and set the egg...better
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Pwd Sugar: We are so dry here most of the time that I usually air dry -
but if in a hurry
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MaraTLee: you can put the eggs back into the molds to scoop out
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Pwd Sugar: the oven or a dehydrator works great
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CMcdow1870: What are you making with egg whites????
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Pwd Sugar: Water will work and you can leave out the egg
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Dolores777: humid here and I get finished faster using the oven sugar eggs
- I only use water I even made one in the egg cake pan once and i used
only water...photo on my web site too MaraTLee: Inedible panoramic eggs....
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MaraTLee: or u can use meringue powder...
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Dolores777: inedible Mara...some kids I know would eat them LOL
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MaraTLee: I use a gelatin sheet to make a little glass "window"
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CMcdow1870: Mara--are those the ones you decorate and can put scenes inside?????
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MaraTLee: Yes... Try using the little gelatine sheet window,,adds extra
value to the sale...
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MCDCJC3: anyone put milk in there cake?
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MaraTLee: Yes, MCD, it makes a denser cake,,,also heavy whipping cream
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Dolores777: MCD:::don't sub milk as this adds more shortening and can make
the cake fall like Pwd was
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Gertoo: dolores - when I bake do I ice twice before decorating?
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Pwd Sugar: Crumb coat first and then ice. Gert thin down your icing and
put a real thin coat of icing on the cake to seal in the crumbs. L2jlu2:
Gert.... I crumb coat then ice, then decorate
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Dolores777: I ice it crumb coat & go right back with the final coat
-all together - fastest way
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Gertoo: what's crumb coat? Told you I was a beginner
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Dolores777: Press hard and seal in the crumbs - crumb coat = To seal in
the crumbs TY
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Pwd Sugar: A crumb coat keeps your finished icing much nicer - no stray
crumbs from the icing
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Tyger2000: why do you need a crumb coat, dolores
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Dolores777: To seal in the crumbs TY
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Pwd Sugar: A crumb coat keeps your finished icing much nicer - no stray
crumbs from the icing getting in the finished icing
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DONNKIM: I found a crumb coat especially good with Chocolate
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Dolores777: You should press hard with the crumb coat or sometimes air
pockets form
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MaraTLee: Dolores, are you pressing that crumb coat in with your hands?or
spatula?
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Dolores777: spatula Pwd Sugar: Spatula as smooth as you can make it.
SOMEONE GAVE ME THESE GOOD HINTS ON THE WEB SOME TIME AGO: Why limit the
fun to cakes? Pastry bags are among the most useful and versatile tools
of the kitchen. Besides decorating cakes, you can also use them to fill
appetizers like stuffed mushrooms, fill eclairs or cream puffs, and craft
uniformed drop cookies like macaroons.
There are two kinds of pastry bags: nylon bags and polyester bags. Nylon
bags are good for whipped-cream based fillings, but not fat-based fillings
like buttercreams. Fat-based fillings work better with polyester bags because
they're thicker and they protect the grease from seeping through the bag
as the heat from your hands warms the filling.
TUBE BE OR NOT TUBE BE, THAT IS THE QUESTION - You can use pastry bags
with or without a tube on the end. Tubes ensure proper and consistent size
when you're making drop cookies or decorating cakes. When uniformity is
not as important, such as when you're filling mushrooms or jelly doughnuts,
you'll want to go tubeless. Without a tube, you can also add fruits, nuts
or even chocolate chips to your filling and they'll easily pass through
the opening.
GETTING READY - When you're filling a pastry bag, begin by folding over
the edges of the bag. Fill the bag by inserting a spoonful or spatula full
of your filling, to remove the spatula close your hand around the top of
the bag and pull out the spoon or spatula leaving the filling inside. Do
this until the bag is no more than 2/3 full. You don't want the filling
to get too warm from your hands before you get started decorating. You're
better off refilling the bag several times. You can also rest the pastry
bag in an empty glass while you are filling it to keep both hands free.
Next, twist the top of the bag closed and squeeze until the air bubble
comes out. This is called "burping the bag." Now you're
ready to go piping wild. Continue squeezing the bag and turning the top
until you've used all the filling.
PROPER CLEAN-UP: Proper care of your pastry bag and tubes can ensure
long life (for the bag and tubes, not you). It's best not to soak the bag
for a long time in soapy water. This will break down the inner lining and
cause seepage or even worse, breakage when you're trying to pipe.
Always rinse well after each use and remove the tube and coupler. A
mild detergent may be necessary for a short period of time after you've
used a fat based filling. Another cleansing solution is to use hot water
along with a little vinegar. Stretch out and hang to dry (again, the bag,
not you).
Pastry bags are wonderful tools for sprucing up not only dessert, but
also your main meal. Next time you make your family mashed potatoes, surprise
them by piping the potatoes into rosettes on their plates. You can also
make flavored butters by softening your butter adding pureed strawberries
or chives or whatever sounds good and piping them onto butter plates and
chilling. You will really wow them with your beautiful presentation.
TASTY TIP: Since most fillings are fat based, you should use a separate
pastry bag for egg white-based piping. Otherwise, you risk contaminating
your egg whites by fat that could deflate them. Your royal icing and meringue
shells will never be fluffier.
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L2jlu2: I have been doing for family and friends for a couple of years
but just started in '95
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MaraTLee: L..I call making cakes for friends and family ..custom work also...they
are the ones that
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L2jlu2: So do I Mara but friends and family usually talk you into given
them for free or very cheap. They don't understand that you have to buy
ingredients and take time to decoratae
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MaraTLee: But L2, that's how you get your practice in...LOL
EARLENE'S PART
This week we had a problem again with a cake recipe. Liz McMillan had
shared her banana nut cake recipe with me several years ago. I don't get
calls for this cake very often and did not remember that it tends to fall.
Well it happened again. I called Gail (her mom) and double checked that
I had the recipe right. Yep, it was right. Then I asked her if where they
live is close to sea level. Yes - they are sea level or close to it. So
now I at least know where to start to fix this recipe. When you live at
a higher altitude you must decrease the liquid or increase the dry ingredients
to compensate for the altitude change.
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Liz's banana nut cake This is her recipe - very yummy - :-) -
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Cream
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2 1/2 c. Granulated sugar
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1 c. Shortening
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3 eggs
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Add alternately
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3 c. Flour
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mixed with
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1 1/2 tsp soda
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3/4 c. Buttermilk
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mixed with
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1 tsp vanilla
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Add
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1 1/2 c. Mashed ripe bananas (aprox. 3 )
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1 1/2 c. Chopped pecans
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Bake at 325 degrees for approximately 30 minutes.
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Liz's banana nut cake icing
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Melt 1/2 c. Margarine
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and add
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1 c. Brown sugar
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Boil over low heat for 2 minutes stirring constantly.
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Cool Add gradually
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2 c. Powdered sugar.
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JHB4CRDS: So when a cake falls or you take it out and find out the middle
didn't completely cook, do you have to junk the whole cake?
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Dolores777: yes - junk it if it is wrong - or try putting it back in the
oven and bake longer
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JHB4CRDS: Is it best to remove the uncooked middle so the rest of the cake
won't spoil?
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Pwd Sugar: NO I rescued parts of it and it will just be extra moist yummy
cake. We baked it twice and so I combined the layers to make what I needed
for the one Pwd Sugar: Gail said that this recipe comes from an old family
cookbook of theirs
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Pwd Sugar: It was done - but it fell because it had too much liquids in
it
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MaraTLee: For the uncooked middle..remove and replace with smaller cake
and fill with icing to hold
MaraTLee: Pwd, you can coat your nuts also with flour...same reason.....
Many of you have been asking for the name of a good gumpaste flower
instruction book. Brand new and hot off of the press is an outstanding
new book by Scott Clark Woolley and Michael G. Farace called cakes by design.
You can order this book from http://www.amazon.com The book came in at
a cost of 35.45 with the shipping costs. This is the best gumpaste instruction
book I have seen to date. It has the flowers that we get requested to do
and more. Several different basketweave techniques Instructions for several
kinds of bows Excellent instructions for making butterflies Beautiful,
exquisite cakes and lots of instructions. If you are a beginner this book
will blow your mind If you are a master you will appreciate the beautiful
workmanship in this book. One of my favorites cakes in this book is on
page 39. Flowers and filigree with royal icing lattice, lace points, scrolls,
lilies, roses and tiny mums and natural greenery. Beautifully done. I did
ask Scott several years ago what he charged for a cake like the one on
the cover of this book. He told me at that time that the cake was $60.00
per serving. I hope I have a customer someday willing to pay that much
for a cake of this quality. Pure edible art.
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Pwd Sugar: I noticed Dee that Scott suggested baking at 300 degrees
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Pwd Sugar: instead of 325
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Dolores777: I can aggree. He doesn't want humps
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Gertoo: pwd is it too advanced for beginers?
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Pwd Sugar: No - If you are a beginner especially in gumpaste his instructions
are the best
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Tyger2000: what is gumpaste for?
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Dolores777: gumpaste:::making VERY realistic flowers, even can make dolls
etc
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Pwd Sugar: Gumpaste is used to make flowers, butterflies, etc.
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MaraTLee: Pwd, I would like to see that video....is it for sale anywhere?
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Pwd Sugar: I can make you a copy - I made and edited the videos and it
will be at least September before I can get that done for you. They are
$25. Per video with most of that going to Betty May
Last night I had an hour phone conversation with betty Newman may in California.
This talented lady was my first (1976) professional cake decorating teacher
and introduced me to the vast wonderful world of sugar art. She told us
about the new ices show coming to Dallas in 1977 and I feel a big debt
of gratitude toward this dear lady for her inspiration, teaching and sharing
over the years. She was one of the people who helped form and create the
ices organization. A super talented lady who inspired many of us. If you
have a copy of the new American cake decorating magazine, she was the teacher
who taught Carolyn Wanke and myself how to do the cake on page 64 in a
class in Abilene, Texas. Carolyn and I had both had previous Lambeth classes
so she gave us this one cake to do which took us all week long. She did
keep us busy. The rest of the class were just learning the Lambeth techniques
and they each did three simpler design cakes. I have the instructions for
these four Lambeth cakes on video. The three simpler cakes are on one tape
and the one Carolyn and I did is on another tape.
One of the best hints that I have received from these chats is this.
Before putting your chocolate chips in your cake batter coat them with
flour and they won't sink to the bottom of your cake batter. This really
works. Thank you to whoever shared that several months ago.
Have a wonderful holiday tomorrow. Don't we have a lot to be thankful
for. Homemade ice cream and hamburgers cooked on the grill. Yum yum some
of us will still be working to get those cakes out for Saturday and Sunday.
Even though we may have to work it is because we had the freedom to choose
that - not because someone made us do this.
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Girl2Di4: I have a question about using the edible metallic powder...I
have had a bit of trouble using it over the hardened buttercream...is it
better to use over hardened royal icing or fondant?
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(From Dolores) ....sorry, the screen rolled so fast we missed your question
entirely...You CAN do this over any icing. As long as the icing is well
crusted first. Buttercream will be the most difficult since it requires
a longer drying time. DO use vodka as your liquid so it will dry.
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Shavkin: Hermits: (Mississippi State University)
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3 1/2 c sift flour
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1 tsp baking soda
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1 tsp salt
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1 tsp. nutmeg
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1 tsp cinnamon
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1 c butter
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2 c brown sugar
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2 1/2 c raisins
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1 1/4 c chopped nuts
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2 eggs
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1/2 c cold coffee
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Mix and sift flour, soda, salt and spices. Cream butter; add sugar gradually
and cream until fluffy. Add raisins and nuts and mix. Add eggs, one at
a time and mix well. Add sifted ingredients and coffee alternately. Chill
thoroughly. Drop by spoonfuls on ungreased baking sheets. Bake in a preheated
400 deg F oven about 9 minutes. Yields approx
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Vgan965946: Does anyone have any recipes for vegan cakes & frostings??
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Pwd Sugar: What qualifies it as Vegan?
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MaraTLee: guys, vegetarian, no eggs, no dairy, no honey,,,,, You can use
fruit purees to sweeten the cakes..
ICES NAME TAG FOR THE
CONVENTION - Earlene has designed a special name tag you can wear at the
convention so you can meet one another from our fun on the computer. Print
it from here- or if you are using Netscape, you can save the Image as
a file and then print your name on it using your computer. If you must
print it, be sure to fill in your name below the CAKE using a sharpie
pen (not-smearing and shows up well).
More ICES info:
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Hovita: thanks Shavkin what state are you located in and are you going
to the ices convention Shavkin: I'm in New York. Yes, I'm going to Convention.
R U?
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Shavkin: This will be my 17th convention.
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Hovita: I'm in Florida and yes can't wait
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Shavkin: Oh, WOW! What R U doing as far as committee work.
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Shavkin: We're arriving on Monday. Suppose to help Wed. nite (my hubby
is) as I have a demo social And, help, again, on Thursday am. But, have
not heard officially yet.
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Hovita: this will be my first and looking forward to it i enjoy it very
much baking and decorating
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Msfox1: Hello everyone. Have a question. When you make a cake for someone
whether it is wedding or birthday, do you call them and see how it was
or just assume that it was good if you don't hear from them?
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Dolores777: I bet they'd tell you if it weren't good
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MaraTLee: Dolores, go to craft shop and get a clay gun....cheeper and has
a lot of diferent
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Chefcakes: Calling them is great customer relations
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Pwd Sugar: I guess after we have done this for 30+ years we assume they
like our cakes
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Pwd Sugar: or they wouldn't keep coming back
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Dolores777: when you are in bus. they tell you it is bad even if it is
perfect...around here that is suppose to get you your money back - &
does in big super stores
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Msfox1: just wondering. have done both a wedding and anniversary and never
heard from either. It is especially when they let you know how wonderful
it was.
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MaraTLee: Ms, you can always send a follow up card..have them preprinted...
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Msfox1: do you think I should call the customers?
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Chefcakes: Ms - people always give me feedback long after the event
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MaraTLee: msfox.....you can have them pre-made with little check boxes...Liked
cake...did not like cake
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