Date: April 5th, 1998 11:21:49
From: MaraTLee
e-mail: marajami@ptdprolog.net
Subject: Re: Real cakes used in cake shows
In response:
I also enter "dummies" at cake shows,like Dolores, so I can have a
display cake at my shop; I can't see spending all that time, effort and
expence in putting a show entry together and not using it for something.
I've even lent those displays to other shops --( I call it my "cakes on
tour"). As far as judging by personal preference, that is one judge
that I would NOT like to have at ANY show. When I was invited to judge,
I tried to approach each cake with an appreciation to the WORK ,and art
involved and NOT in if it was my favorite color or technique. That
would have been a dis-service to the person who entered that particular
cake. For example, there was a cake entered in the master professional
cat. that I know for a fact was NO real work for the decorator, true
enough she had all the decorations placed nicely on the cake but there
was something lacking. It was a cake covered in rolled fondant, and
using the Wilton wedding press-in molds fondant molds, attached these
decorations all over the cake. Now, for those of you that have worked
with RF, know that once you master the technique ,it isn't that hard to
do, also it doesn't take a great deal of art to press fondant or
gumpaste into a 3-D mold and have a pretty decoration ,you basically
have to be neat. There was another cake there that was completely
decorated in royal icing,a lot of work went into that cake , and another
cake with a gumpaste baby, Just head and hands that were also pressed
into a mold, dressed in a pretty dress on a royal icing cake with side
garlands,also very "neatly" done. I was trying to point out to the my
co-judge that the royal icing cake had more "work" into it but I
couldn't press my point being a only a junior judge ( I tried!); But, as
far as I'm concerned that one was the winner.( I could SEE that cake in
buttercream)(sometimes these entries border on the fantastical!) There
was another incident concerning an airbrush cake, that I can go into but
I've already taken enough of you time.--( I think that out of 80+
entries our disagreeing with 2 was not bad!)-- What Carolyn( and I) are
trying to point out, is that YES, maybe there should be a buttercream
category in the shows and I feel that we should all take a chance and
enter it at least once to see how we do! We just may surprise ourselves!
:)--no debates, no insults, just an honest opinion----:)
Date: April 7th, 1998 12:25:01
From: Beth
e-mail: bkotzin@nbbj.com
Subject: Ohio DOS
Do you have to be a member of ICES to attend the DOS in Columbus? I'm just starting out, have really just been taking classes and making cakes for friends and work. Not sure if I plan to do this as a "business" yet or not, but I'm having lots of fun! I'm interested in this DOS, but wasn't sure if I could attend if I'm not a member. I live in Columbus, so I'd hate to miss it if I could go. Could someone let me know "the rules"? Thanks!
Date: April 7th, 1998 10:12:44
From: Jeannine
e-mail: PJNJMB@aol.com
Subject: Re: Ohio DOS
I believe you are more than welcome to attend the DOS even if not an
ICES member. Of course, ICES would love to have you join. It's a good
opportunity to see what it's all about and whether or not you'd be
interested in signing up. I'd recommend it.
Date: April 7th, 1998 10:14:35
From: Jeannine
e-mail: PJNJMB@aol.com
Subject: MI DOS
Last weekend was the Michigan DOS and we had a representative from
Rich's demo Bettercreme. WOW did I learn alot!! Anything you can do
with buttercream she did with Bettercream. It also can be left at room
temperature for 5 days without spoiling! If anyone has never tried it,
I would recommend that you do!
Date: April 8th, 1998 10:04:50
From: Dolores
e-mail: proicer@one.net
Subject: Re: MI DOS
But didn't it deteriorate...evaporate?
My daughter says it gets kinda 'rubbery'
But, thanks, its good to know that it won't hurt us to leave it set out.
When we use BETTERCREAM (either vanilla or chocolate) we do the cake the
same day they pick it up because the icing seems to evaporate and appear
thinner as the cake setc. But I'm not complaining - its the BEST! Not so
sweet like our buttercream
Date: April 8th, 1998 10:05:55
From: Dolores
e-mail:
Subject: Re: Re: Ohio DOS
By ALL means, come even if you are not a member! You are SO welcome.
Besides, you'll be totally hooked from then on
Date: April 10th, 1998 06:57:18
From: Sly
e-mail: skenney@rocketmail.com
Subject: Re: Bettercream
Cool. We have someone from Rich's Bettercream demonstrating for us next
month. Can't remember her name, but she demo'd at convention and did
the "jumbo" size flowers in Bettercream.
I'm looking forward to it, even though I can't actually purchase
Bettercream. (At least I've heard that you have to be a business to
purchase it, not just an occassional cake decorator like me.)
Date: April 10th, 1998 07:01:50
From: Sly
e-mail: skenney@rocketmail.com
Subject: Conflicting DOS events
I love to go to cake shows and Days of Sharing, and I'm annoyed that
later this month, there are two days of sharing in my area on the same
day. Both Maryland's ICES and Virginia's ICES are on Sunday the 26th.
Since I live near DC, it's just a few hours drive to get to either, and
would have loved to attend both.
My advice, if you live in a multi-state area, check with your
neighboring ICES chapters (or try to get their newsletters, or
something) and try not to hold competing events. Most of the folks I
know would gladly attend shows, competitions and days of sharing most
anywhere within several hours drive!
Date: April 10th, 1998 11:45:48
From: Nannette
e-mail: nghenderson@erols.com
Subject: Re: Bettercream
It's Sue Marshall, from Garden City, CA. She'll demo pretty much
anywhere, as long as there is a place nearby where you can buy Rich's
(there is a place in Maryland that is open to the general public a few
days a week). Her phone number is in the ICES directory, or if someone
is interested who doesn't have one of those, e-mail me and I'll give it
to you.
Date: April 11th, 1998 10:15:00
From: Dolores
e-mail:
Subject: Re: Conflicting DOS events
Perhaps those dates were set by reps who don't live so conveniently
close like you do. Its very important that you point out your problem to
them so they can correct it in the future.
Ohio has had the SAME dates ever since we started. Other states can work
around our dates better when they can depend on this. Ours are always
held the last Sundays of April and Septembler...dates I started waaay
back when I was rep so many years ago...glad it worked so well, you
never can be sure.
Date: April 11th, 1998 10:16:48
From: Dolores
e-mail:
Subject: Regional DOS?
Anyone know of states holding 'regional' DOS? If you don't know, Ohio
went together with 5 other states recently for a great DOS. Over 200
people came. We had trade booths and demos all day long. This is a nice
attraction for authors and other pro demonstrators too.
Date: April 11th, 1998 09:51:42
From: Jeannine
e-mail: PJNJMB@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Bettercream
Sly,
I decorate occasionally, out of my home, and I have access to
Bettercream. I purchase it at a Gordon's Food Supply, if you have that
or another store likeit you may be able to get it too. The demo we had
was by Sue Marshall and was really great! You should learn a lot.
Date: April 12th, 1998 01:41:06
From: Sly
e-mail: skenney@rocketmail.com
Subject: Weekend of Sharing
Actually, we are hoping to (successfully) hold a "Weekend of Sharing" in
Virginia late next Spring (or was it in 2 years? I forget), and invite
folks from Virginia, West Virginia, Maryland and North Carolina. I'm
sure we'll discuss plans further at our DOS in a couple weeks. It'll be
the same year that the ICES convention is pretty far west, so we figure
us "East Coast" folks who will skip convention that year would still
like to have some event to go to. It's in the VERY early planningstages
at this point, but if things become more definate I'll certainly post
it!
Date: April 12th, 1998 01:45:20
From: Sly
e-mail: skenney@rocketmail.com
Subject: Thanks Nannette!
Thanks for adding that Nannette! I had the info about Sue on my
computer desk at home, but I was posting from work (don't tell the
boss), and I couldn't remember her name.
Date: April 12th, 1998 11:05:32
From: Diane Shavkin
e-mail: shavkin@aol.com
Subject: Re: Real cakes used in cake shows
Dummy cakes tend to have a much nicer look to the finished product than a real cake. Tend to; not necessarily always do. I have seen incredibly beautifully done cakes in real cake and with basic techniques.
In the case of Carolyn's cake getting third place because the judge didn't consider the cake on the level of professional. I've seen Carolyn's cakes and I think that there is no one who can frost and decorate a buttercream cake like Carolyn does. Her work is beautiful. I would have given the cake a second because even though I wasn't there, I do know Carolyn's work. A judge needs to have sensitivity when judging so not to hurt someone's feelings with the final result and to be very fair. I believe that a judge needs to really think about skipping over a place in awarding placement. Carolyn's royal icing cakes for shows are top-notched! It's very difficult judging and not being critized for the final result. No one is perfect. I take alot of time judging and always tell the judge/judges that I am working with to let me know if he/she is dissatisfied. If the co-judge is dissatisfied that much, then she needs to make it known. Sometimes, a judge just has to go along with another decision. That is the reason that it is best to have three judges. One always breaks the tie and creates more feedback for discussion. It works out so much better having 3 judges.
Date: April 13th, 1998 09:23:27
From: Susan
e-mail: gmeyertchr@worldnet.att.net
Subject: NY weekend of sharing
Is there any-one who is going to be at the Clifton Park ICES Day of sharing? Maybe we can meet and share some cake photos. My mentor and I are going to be there on Sunday (all day) so I hope to meet some other people who are on this web site. If you will be there, let me know. The date of the show is 4-25 to 4-26-98
Susan
Date: April 13th, 1998 03:05:26
From: Dolores
e-mail:
Subject: Re: Weekend of Sharing
We did a weekend of sharing once with 4 other states. It was extremely
successful. We had a nice banquet on Sat. night. As I remember, it
wasn't all that expensive. Everyone pitched in.
Our last Spring's DOS was with 5 other states. It was spectacular - 2
days. We had about 200 people. Demos all day each day.
Good luck. I just know its going to be wonderful.
Date: April 15th, 1998 03:49:45
From: Mindy
e-mail: cmcintos@nemonet.com
Subject: MO Day of Sharing
I was wondering if anyone knows anything about what goes on at the Missouri Day of sharing that is being held in St Louis on May 3. What kind of demonstrations there will be etc. and can people go who aren't members of ICES. Thanks, Mindy
Date: April 16th, 1998 12:31:25
From: Carolyn
e-mail: Bridal1
Subject: Re: MO Day of Sharing
Hi Mindy:
Yes, I am a Missourian - in fact, I was the one who organized the Missouri ICES chapter in 1983. We'd love to have you come as a visitor and no, you do not have to be an ICES member, but we hope you will like us well enough that you will want to join and come again and receive all the benefits of being in ICES. I am a charter member and it truly has been one of the greatest things in my life! I have grown so much as a person and received so much benefit from knowing other cake decorators.
As to what goes on - there will be demos from 9 until noon, I believe, and then lunch and then a business meeting. Then there will be more demos. I do not know what the demos are, but I will try to find out if you will remind me in an e-mail. We also have a sharing table where you can bring anything you'd like to share - perhaps a cake you've done for a cake show or for whatever, cake pictures, etc. Then to help our Rep and Alternates go to the Midyear ICES meeting and ICES convention, we have a white elephant sale. You can bring anything you'd like to get rid of such as pans, books, small garage sale type things and the money raised goes to the Rep fund.
When you arrive, you will sign in and be given a name tag and then we usually have coffee and rolls to get everyone started and the visiting begins. Some of us from the Kansas City area are planning to go down on Saturday and stay overnight. I would love to meet you there and I could introduce you around. I'm sure you would agree that you got $20 worth of friendship and knowledge from the day when it is done.
Please come. Anyone else that you know, please invite them, too - they also can be out of state people, not just Missourians. In fact, I think a couple of the Kansas people will be coming with me. We'd love meeting you and having you as our guest!!
Date: April 17th, 1998 04:37:49
From: Mindy
e-mail: cmcintos@nemonet.com
Subject: Re: Re: MO Day of Sharing
Hi,
I tried sending you an email but the message couldn't be sent for some reason. I would like to know what demos there will be. And I am a new member of ICES, the reason I was asking was because I was going to try to talk some of my wilton class mates into coming down. Thanks, Mindy
Date: April 18th, 1998 11:56:57
From: Carolyn
e-mail: Bridal1
Subject: Re: Re: Re: MO Day of Sharing
Hi Mindy:
Please do bring your classmates. I will try to find out what the demos are and send you an e-mail if I still have your address or I will post it on here for you to see. My e-mail is Bridal1@AOL.Com or Bridal@Juno.Com
Date: April 19th, 1998 10:12:15
From: Carolyn
e-mail: Bridal1
Subject: Take a look!!
Thought you all might like to see on the internet an ad that is going to be used to advertise our 1999 ICES convention in Kansas City, Missouri. Our graphics person did this for us to see and it may not be on here much longer, but I thought it was pretty neat that it was on the web! The address to find it is: http://www.crinc.ukans.edu/showbook.html
Hope you enjoy. I'm the one on the right side.
Date: April 20th, 1998 08:00:34
From: Sly
e-mail: skenney@rocketmail.com
Subject: Cake Show Photos on-line
If you'd like to see a handful of photos from the latest cake show in
the DC area, they are now available at our web page. I'll try to add
more if folks give me permission to post their photos.
The show was sponsored by the Greater Washington Area Cake Club about a
month ago, and many of our club members participated (though not
enough of them).
Go to http://www.wizard.net/~casanova/
and follow the link to "Photos".
(You can even see a cakes by myself and Nannette since we both post
here all the time.)
Sherry
Date: April 20th, 1998 10:35:06
From: LisaF
e-mail: lfleeman@mail.stlnet.com
Subject: Re: Take a look!!
I'm from Missouri and I think the design looks great.
Date: April 21st, 1998 10:13:07
From: Carolyn
e-mail: Bridal1
Subject: Re: Re: Take a look!!
Hi Lisa:
Thanks and I hope you are planning to be at our Day of Sharing May 3 in St. Louis. Where are you? We'd love to have you come share the day with us!!
Date: April 22nd, 1998 01:01:25
From: Carolyn
e-mail: Bridal1
Subject: Re: MO Day of Sharing
Back again! I have found out that there will be a marshmellow creme flow-in demo and then a hands on demo (not sure what on) where everyone will participate. Also, there is going to be a demo on favors to hand out from Missouri ICES members at the 1998 convention. Other than that, I am not sure what else. Will keep you posted if I find out any more.
Date: April 22nd, 1998 10:17:49
From: LisaF
e-mail: lfleeman@mail.stlnet.com
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Take a look!!
I live about 25 miles south of Downtown St.Louis. I have sent in my
registration for the MO DOS. I can't wait. I've never been to one
before. Hope to see you there!!
Date: April 22nd, 1998 11:34:43
From: Carolyn
e-mail: Bridal1
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Take a look!!
Great Lisa, be sure to introduce yourself. I'm the quiet one, but make lots of noise despite my throat problems and I'm anxious to meet all the new ones coming to our DOS!! Invite a friend!
Date: April 22nd, 1998 03:17:46
From: Mindy
e-mail:
Subject: Re: Re: MO Day of Sharing
Thanks for the info on the demos. I told my class about the DOS but I'm afraid that none were interested. But I did find out that my teacher is planning on coming. Mindy
Date: April 23rd, 1998 08:04:14
From: Dolores
e-mail:
Subject: Ohio DOS...this Sunday!
Don't forget about it...Its this Sunday...See you there.
If you need info, I have it all online. You can get to it from the
Message Board list or from my Home page.
Date: April 26th, 1998 02:44:47
From: Carolyn
e-mail: Bridal1
Subject: SOME of the Demos for Missouri DOS - May 3 - YOU'RE INVITED
i was able to find out some of the demos that will be at the Missouri DOS on May 3. There will be a demo on Marshmallow flow, Decorating with Whipped Topping, ICES Hand-outs for convention Demo, and a Hands-on demo on Mini Summer Treats. This was all I was able to find out, but am sure there will be more. We invite all interested cake decorators to come join us for the day. If you have any others questions, please e-mail me at Bridal2@AOL.Com
Date: April 27th, 1998 11:46:07
From: Dolores
e-mail:
Subject: Re: Ohio DOS...this Sunday!
Our DOS was yesterday. It was wonderful! I bet there were 200 people
there. Millie Green came (pres of ICES). Also several decorators from
West Virginia. I met Carol Ising...a friend of mine on the
computer...clear back in Prodigy days...when we were all on there.
Colette Peters demoed a rolled fondant cake...how to drape on the
icing...she prefers Regalice fondant mix. She showed many good ideas for
decorating the cake easy and fast. I'm really glad I saw that one. She
adds lemon extract to gold powder ...it evaporates fast. She doesn't
bevel the top edges of cakes before putting on r.fondant icing. on & on!
Colette just got a web site and would love email. Her email address:
cakecolet@aol.com
Susan Aviram: demoed sugar molding. Had LOTS od samples! She showed one
I especially liked...a med. egg with the cut-out as large shutters -
blue with a white cupid inside and scroll deco.
Sue Larson (expert with pulled sugar also) showed how to make the cloth
cake base coverings. Its really easy...Use polyester cloth so it is
shiny and washable. Sew a length of cloth about 1 1/2 feet wide into a
circle. Fold and insert elastic all around. Then fit around a cake board
and set the cake in place.
Dave Phillips showed us how he makes plexiglass cake stands for display
cakes. He makes the box (bottom still open), uses Liquid Bond Glue and
smooths after dry with a torch. Clean the plxiglass with rubbing
alchahol. Sets on stand of white plexiglass, 2 psc, one large and one to
fit the box and uses set screws to fasten once the cake is in place. He
sells a 16 " box for $100.00 - I think their web site is cakecraft.com
Sherry Orndorff: Another demo was about the little wedding charms people
insert into the cake and how/where to get them etc. I didn't see this
demo.
Date: April 27th, 1998 11:56:13
From: Dolores
e-mail: proicer@one.net
Subject: Please READ
To all ICES members/state reps (or anyone else who can help):
I would like to arrange a method to allow us all to get together more
easily for DOS and to let new members know about ICES. If you are a rep,
or if you know where/when/what goes on at each state or country's DOS,
will you please email me this information.
When I recieve it I'll make a page listing all state's DOS so anyone
interested can easily find what month,day, and where it is held. This
way people WILL know and CAN make plans ahead of time, espcially new
members. I would like the following: (Copy/paste this into an email to
me) Please leave it in this format including my questions to return it
to me:
What is your state?
The reps name/phone number and/or email address if poss?
How many times a year do you meet?
Same dates all the time, or do you change dates?
Where do you meet?
Same place all the time?
Do you have lunch? Covered dish, or sit down at a hotel etc?
All day or 2-days etc?
Do you have trade booths?
Do you have demoes? How many?
OTHER COMMENTS OR INFORMATION YOU WOULD LIKE TO INCLUDE?
Date: April 27th, 1998 01:07:35
From: Linda
e-mail: lsh322@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Re: Ohio DOS...this Sunday!
I was at the Ohio Day of Sharing. It was my first time to attend and I
really enjoyed every minute of it. I was impressed with the demos and
learned a lot. This was very nice and I will be there this fall.
Date: April 27th, 1998 03:17:05
From: Stephanie
e-mail: BCI_MAN@sssnet.com
Subject: Re: Re: Ohio DOS...this Sunday!
Hi Dolores,
I too was at Ohio's day of sharing.
What a great time we all had.
I was not disappointed at all even though i did not know what to expect
You had a GREAT vendors table with wonderful girls who knew what they
were selling and talking about. (how refreshing)
I will be back in the fall.
Collett Peters was totally AWSOME I would have never thought that she
would have been as Friendly and FUNNY as she was, what a great talent
she has and is not afraid to share it with others.
It was also VERY nice to meet you too!
Date: April 30th, 1998 11:47:00
From: Dolores
e-mail:
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Ohio DOS...this Sunday!
Hi Linda,
Great that you enjoyed it so much! It is always a wonderful day. See you
this fall!
Dolores
Date: April 30th, 1998 11:45:56
From: Dolores
e-mail:
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Ohio DOS...this Sunday!
Hi Stephanie,
It was very nice to meet you too. Thanks for the praise for my 'helpers' Yes, Colette is truly awesome. I liked her idea of using half gp and That DOS was a bit of a crowd. Usually there are only about 100 people. Dolores
(daughters and grandchildren
half fondant to make flowers for her cakes. Hadn't heard that one.
I think they came to see Colette. Nice!