July 7, 1999 OUR FIRST CHAT OUT ON THE WEB - "LIGALITIES"

Hi everyone. Welcome to the new LIVE CHATS board. I, Dolores McCann, along with Earlene Moore, are your hosts. We will meet here every 1st Tuesday of each month (except August , it'll be the 3rd Tuesday since the 1st Tues. falls during our ICES convention). You are ALL welcome to meet here any day or time of day you ever want to. But on ALL Tuesday nights we will have a LIVE CHAT. Earlene or I may or may not be present. But all of you can meet and enjoy chatting regardless.

If you want to share recipes etc., you may want to plan ahead and type them out on your computer - save as PURE TEXT files. Then you can open it in NOTEPAD then copy/paste it as you send it up. To COPY: highlight just one line of text and press keys Control and C. Set your cursor on the line to write a message and press keys Control V. Press ENTER to send each line. SHIRLEY WAS ABLE TO LOG THIS CHAT THROUGH aol SO WE NEED TO FIND OUT IF IT WILL BE POSSIBLE ON irc. I hope so!

I changed the title of this chat to JUST 'Legalities' because I felt that PRICING would make it too complicated for our first chat. We will do PRICING next time...in August, for you. Bring along your current 20000 Yearbook to that chat! (Yearbook due here by the end of July...order now!).
 
 
 

LEGALITIES
I don't know of anything more important to be 'up' on than Legalities. But, until you get REALLY busy I don't think you should worry about this much at all. Just do your cakes, take classes and learn. Then maybe someday you WILL need licensees. But for starting out NO, I don't think so. I have thousands of customers in my retail store and only about 2-3 are legal....if this tells you anything!

Most of us do cakes from our home and can't be legal ever. I did for years. I know how you feel. Sometimes it is scary. But nothing bad ever happened at all. Finally, when I started doing up to 8 wedding cakes per week at home, I got licensed by our Ohio Department of Agriculture ($10.00 per year). They inspect you once a year and requirements are very lax. DO NOT expect it to be this way in highly metropolitan areas, such as on the East coast of the USA. The authorities are naturally more stringent where they must control the flow of  highly populated areas.

Requirements vary. But here I need the Dept. of Ag. License and the city health dept. license (I'm within city limits and wasn't at home). I could not have been licensed by Hamilton City to do cakes from my home if I'd lived in the city then. I wouldn't have even tried.

In some areas they also require some sort of business license. I have no idea how this works.

To find out the requirements, call your city or county health departments and ask for a copy of the requirements.

ZONING: Zoning is usually also a factor. Even in the county. If you are not zoned business, you can be shut down. Businesses are usually only located in zoned-business areas. You may be able to get a variance but this depends on your neighbors agreeing within so many feet of your property.
 
 
 

Next is our log, thanks to ShirleyFL who managed to log it for us.
Subj:   July 6 Cake Chat

Bethany77:      Has anybody ever used the stepsaving rose bouquest gumpaste cutters? I bought some last night--I've never even touched gumpaste. Am I in
for trouble?
DOLORES7:   Beth...YES! Love it....got to practice
cakelady29:      Are we getting ready for the 9:00 chat?
LesaG:      Bethany - gumpaste is easy - you'll do fine. Never used the stepsaver though.
DOLORES7:   No, can't log but can probably copy/paste it...I'm going to try
DOLORES7:   Hi Cake...yep...starts at 9PM
Bethany77:      Thanks, guys. Do I always have to use wires, like when I just want to mound roses on top?
cakelady29:      Dolores:      Are we in the right place, Marida?
DOLORES7:   I made tulips with a similar method...worked great...Nick Lodge dreamed this up
DOLORES7:   Cake...sure are
DOLORES7:   Marida...are you here???
jayhawkhelen:      Does anyone know how to solve an icing blooming problem?
cakelady29:      Dolores:      I am Cakelady29
DOLORES7:   blooming? please explain more
swtcakes:      How do you find out how to use Intermute?
DOLORES7:   Cakelady...are you Marida?
cakelady29:      Yes
DOLORES7:   sw...its nothing but easy! I don't think that works on aol though...not certain
jayhawkhelen:      After icing a cake (each of the last 2 weekends) air bubbles have appeared under my icing the next morning.
DOLORES7:   Marida...and all...it is SO wonderful that we can ALL come together now!
DOLORES7:   Jay...you could crumb coat first...you need to press HARDer
jayhawkhelen:      I've decorated wedding cakes for FIVE years and never had it happen before. Now I'm PARANOID!
LesaG:      Jay...what type of icing?
DOLORES7:   can happen on wedding cakes and always did on my 6 because I can't press as hard
Bethany77:      HI, Colleen
treathouse:      Hi Cindy/...Hi Colleen
PjW10:      <Picture:      *(rose)* to Dolores
DOLORES7:   good to have you jay...maybe your hubby will get hooked on this cake stuff
PjW10:      hehehehe, cool!
DOLORES7:   pj LOL...you and those rose petals
LesaG:      Dolores - got your book today! I'm having trouble sitting here chatting when I could be reading it. LOL
kspn:      HI, I'm Kelly
DOLORES7:   Everyone...Pj has volunteerd to make gumpaste rose petals to throw at Nick Lodge's feet at ICES
LesaG:      Hi Kelly!
jayhawkhelen:      FROM HUBBY--already too invlovled in cake stuff!!!
DOLORES7:   Lisa! LOL
NoiW:      Hi, Dolores and everyone
DOLORES7:   Hi Ksp...enjoy the chat!
romula:      It's Cindy again...do all of you know each other?
swtcakes:      wish I was going to the convention
LesaG:      For me, only from the message boards - but feel like friends FOREVER! I love these guys!
jayhawkhelen:      Convention is 30 miles west of here, be prepared for HEAT and HUMIDITY!
DOLORES7:   Hi Noi!!!! Nice to see you...and Sugar...Cathy and all
Bethany77:      It's the message board for me, too. I feel like I'm meeting long lost friends
ShirleyFL:      Only from message board also.
DOLORES7:   no worse than here jay...it was 90+ today
CathyF:      Sheila are you here?(icing wiz)
DOLORES7:   Here we go...Earlene should be here soon
DOLORES7:   Hi everyone. Welcome to the new LIVE CHATS board. I, Dolores
LesaG:      Please.....you guys want heat and humidity??? Comes to Houston! I have to ice with plaster of paris to get it to stay!
DOLORES7:   McCann, along with Earlene Moore, are your hosts. We will meet  here every 1st Tuesday of each month (except August , it'll be
the 3rd Tuesday since the 1st Tues. falls during our ICES  convention). You are ALL welcome to meet here any day or time  of day you ever want to. But onALL Tuesday nights we will GA1020:      Is anyone having the trouble I am? The screen keeps refreshing itself and I have to keep scrolling back down.
DOLORES7:   have a LIVE CHAT. Earlene or I may or may not be present. But all of you can meet and enjoy chatting regardless.
 GA...a glitch of this chat room...no fix for it, sorry
Tee-L:      Hi, is this working right, the new messages are appearing at the
bottom so I have to scroll down to see them.Shouldn't they appear at the top
of the page?
DOLORES7:   If you want to share recipes etc., you may want to plan ahead
NoiW:      This is my first time in the chat room so I'll sit here and observe :)
NitaB:      I have the same problem with the screen
DOLORES7:   and type them out on your computer - save as PURE TEXT files.
DOLORES7:   no...they need to appear at the bottom...you can open your screen wider...place your cursor on an edge and move it bigger
Then you can open it in NOTEPAD then copy/paste it as you send  it up. To COPY:   highlight just one line of text and press keys
DOLORES7:   Okay Noi...just glad to have you
DOLORES7:   Mine scrolls off the top of the screen...just like on aol
cakelady29:      I think I need a lesson in computers.
LesaG:      widening the screen helps - not so much going on.
Sugarrushs:      My CP is on full screen and I am still having to scroll down. ??
DOLORES7:   Control and C. Set your cursor on the line to write a message and press keys Control V. Press ENTER to send each line.
 this thing IS cltsy...better days ahead I hope...but for now this is all we can get

DOLORES7:   I changed the title of this chat to JUST 'Legalities' because  I felt that PRICING would make it too complicated for our
first chat. We will do PRICING next time...in August, for you.
romula:      Does anyone remember the Lady Windemere crystal cake stand? It used to be available from Maid of Scandinavia.
Bethany77:      I opened a word document so I can copy/paste what I want to save as we go along.
DOLORES7:   Bring along your current 20000 Yearbook to that chat!   (Yearbook due here by the end of July...order now!).
DOLORES7:   Bethany...is that a pure text file?
swtcakes:      Is anyone having trouble with message staying in screen after hitting say it?
LesaG:      Beth...good idea!
treathouse:      hey is the new Wilton book out...is that what you are talking about?
DOLORES7:   I'm using Notepad. I have both screens on
kspn:      is anyone going to the show in KC?

DOLORES7:   LEGALITIES
cakelady29:      I am going to ICES.
DOLORES7:   I don't know of anything more important to be 'up' on than
Sugarrushs:      I have a legalities questions?
Bethany77:      I'm in Microsoft word. It's what I always use to save info I
find on the message board.
DOLORES7:   No- new yearbook will be out at end of July...treat
DOLORES7:   go Sugar
swtcakes:      Hope to make the convention next year
Tee-L:      I just went to another chat by beseen and looksmart and the
messages appear at the top on that one.
DOLORES7:   Legalities. But, until you get REALLY busy I don't think you should worry about this much at all. Just do your cakes, take
LesaG:      true story! I have dreams that my fun is going to turn into a nighmare someday!

DOLORES7:   I fixed the messages to appear at the bottom...blame me...books flying LOL  classes and learn. Then maybe someday you WILL need licensees.
DOLORES7:   Poor Lisa...too much fun I suppose
DOLORES7:   But for starting out NO, I don't think so. I have thousands of
LesaG:      When do you need a license? Is there a general rule? State by State?
swtcakes:      Are we able to order yearbooks now??
DOLORES7:   customers in my retail store and only about 2-3 are legal....if this tells you anything!
ekristek:      So it is legal to sell cakes as long as you don't advertise, correct?
DOLORES7:   Swt...I could fix it so you could do that
DOLORES7:   Lisa...explaining more...
 DOLORES7:   I doubt it is ilegal just to say you sell cakes..
LesaG:      This is going to get deep, isn't it! So much for sleep tonight.
What happens if I advertise and what exactly constitutes advertisement?
HELP!!!!!! LOL
DOLORES7:   Most of us do cakes from our home and can't be legal ever. I
swtcakes:      I'm interested Dolores.
DOLORES7:   id for years. I know how you feel. Sometimes it is scary. But nothing bad ever happened at all. Finally, when I started  can't advertise...the phone company checks the newspapers and will make you get a bus. phone if you place ads...newspapers and will make
you get a bus. phone if you place ads...
ekristek:      I would like to make business cards, but am afraid of getting caught.
tp4jb:      I sell items at craft shows. I got a home license just in case anyone asked
treathouse:      so could you put a sign in your yard saying that you do
cakes and still not be legal?
DOLORES7:   My daughter Sue use to work at the ph. Company,,,they checked the paper...but maybe not everywhere  at craft shows...if you sell food products DO get a one-day health license...they come to the shows
DOLORES7:   right Treat...12x12 is all here for a sign
DOLORES7:   my screen went BLACK for a few moments!
romula:      Simply put...what IS illegal?
1 tp4jb:      the dept. of agriculture gave me a home bakery license that i just pay 10 bucks a year for.
DOLORES7:   ...more
DOLORES7:   doing up to 8 wedding cakes per week at home, I got licensed  by our Ohio Department of Agriculture ($10.00 per year). They
inspect you once a year and requirements are very lax. DO NOT  expect it to be this way in highly metropolitan areas, such as  on the East coast of the USA. The authorities are naturally more stringent where they must control the flow of highly  populated areas.   Requirements vary. But here I need the Dept. of Ag.
License and the city health dept. license (I'm within city limits and wasn't at home). I could not have been licensed by Hamilton City to do cakes from my home if I'd lived in the city then. I wouldn't have even tried.
b.keith:      What is legal depends on where you are. Around here (Fairfax County VA), it means a business license and sales tax registration at a minimum.
tp4jb:      i'm in ohio and they only checked the first time. didn't even
check when I changed addresses.
romula:      how do you get a license? I live in St. Louis,Mo.
PamG44:      Heavens to Betsy - I made it!!!!
treathouse:      I cannot get a license right now because we have a cat...but we will be moving to a busy street
LesaG:      I have the sales tax permit - will look into a health license!
treathouse:      and would like to be able to let people know I bake just by the sign
DOLORES7:   tp...are you in Cincinnati area?
1tp4jb:      yep, milford
DOLORES7:   Lesa...two entirely different entities...one doesn't know the other LOL
LesaG:      Noi - do you know about Texas? If so, could you e-mail me the particulars sometime. SwtDrmCake@aol.com
DOLORES7:   pretty strict for you maybe tp...?
b.keith:      To get a license, I called the state department of commerce.
They sent me a packet to tell me where to go to get the various pieces I needed.
treathouse:      I am in Ohio too...Lebanon
DOLORES7:   romula...I'm saying NOT to do that at all. Sit tight and enjoy
DOLORES7:   wouldn't have even tried.
 tp4jb:      when they checked my apt the first time, it didn't matter if i had pets
DOLORES7:   treat...you and tp are my neighbors!!!!
DOLORES7:   I have no idea how this works.
tp4jb:      they said as long as they didn't get on tables while they were there and there were no dirty dishes in the sink that was about it.
ColleenF:      LesaG Texas is strict, have to have separate kitchen
JaniceO:      I'm back, got frozen up
DOLORES7:   tp...you'd better hold onto that license TIGHT
GA1020:      Many times the problem in getting a license is the zoning, your neighbors don't want a business next door.
NoiW:      Lesa, you have to talk to Earlene. I don't know anything about business. I do cakes for fun. Sorry!
tp4jb:      has it gotten more difficult?
treathouse:      really, Tp? I had to call the Agriculture Dept in Columbus and they said no pets for me
LesaG:      Cakes, who bakes cakes? Not ME!!! ROFL
DOLORES7:   Earlene should be here...bet she is on slow time
ColleenF:      Me either lol!
treathouse:      and once I got rid of the cat, then they would inspect. after they give me a license
romula:      My daughter is curious. Is there a cap on the earnings before you have to deal with the IRS?
DOLORES7:   To find out the requirements, call your city or county health
tp4jb:      the person in my area was great. very lax.
b.keith:      In Virginia, dogs in the kitchen are a no-no, but evidently
cats are ok -- comes from the days when they were kept around to keep the mice population under control.
treathouse:      then I would need to call the local county office
LesaG:      Thanks Noi!
DOLORES7:   no...we are really giving this thing a workout is probably why...
kspn:      i bake for fun and for family, I want to bake for $$
DOLORES7:   not many chats have this many people
tp4jb:      the local county was who i spoke with. i think the closer to home the more realistic they are.
DOLORES7:   ZONING:      Zoning is usually also a factor. Even in the county.  If you are not zoned business, you can be shut down.
Businesses are usually only located in zoned-business areas.
LesaG:      I'm not an accountant or tax lawyer, rom....but hang onto all your receipts! They help off-set income at the end of the year.
DOLORES7:   You may be able to get a variance but this depends on your neighbors agreeing within so many feet of your property.
LesaG:      I'm not an accountant or tax lawyer, rom....but hang onto all your receipts! They help off-set income at the end of the year.
DOLORES7:   You may be able to get a variance but this depends on your neighbors agreeing within so many feet of your property. ,,,and just don't worry about getting legal. Many times you can't do that at all anyway. It was very easy for me to get legal since I have a store front. But when you do anything at home,..  it can be SO difficult and such variations of the laws
DebraW:      Zoning was my big problem. Had to go before the county comissioners and get a variance. Nerve-racking
treathouse:      see my local county told me I had to speak with the people in Columbus first..weird how counties are so different in the same state
b.keith:      Around here, as long as you don't have more than 8 visitors a day, and no more than 4 at a time, zoning doesn't care.
cakelady29:      In Virginia, I had to move 20 miles from where I lived to be able to be a legal home business in the same state.
tp4jb:      i don't really have many pickups. more deliveries and shows.
b.keith:      Hi Marida.
LesaG:      So Dolores -what you are saying is bake cakes - worry about the other stuff when it comes up?
JaniceO:      any way to know how many of us are in here?
cakelady29:      Hi, Keith.
dora_a:      Hi, all. I don't have any legal questions just now, but wanted to be part of this chat. I'll just listen and maybe learn something for
future reference.
romula:      Delores, could you comment on things that are illegal?
LesaG:      I don't want to do anything wrong, but decorating isn't my ONLY full-time job! LOL
DOLORES7:   YES Lisa...that is what I'm saying
tp4jb:      is it smart to include ingredient labels on your products?
b.keith:      You probably don't need ingredient labels unless you're packaging it for resale.
DOLORES7:   romula has asked an ipportant question and I'd better start putting up Earlene's...
romula:      LesaG, what do you mean?
DebraW:      tp, where I'm from (NC) dept of ag requires that you have ingredient labels if it is individually packaged items
DOLORES7:   tp...this is required and the health dept comes in regularly to see that we have labels.
LesaG:      thanks tp...I was going to ask too! I have a request from a client to put a notice on the table with the wedding cake.
b.keith:      You may, however, want to include an allergy warning (nuts, chocolate, dairy, etc.) for your customers' protection.
ColleenF:      I really cant be legal, have decided to just screen my customers really well
LesaG:      she's having 300 and doesn't want anyone keeling over on her happy day! Having five cakes all different flavors.
DOLORES7:   The rest is from Earlene...she sent us earlier I guess the thing that bothers most of us most often is the legalities of the Copyrights law. Our customers who want cute birthday cakes for their kids want the same designs as is on the napkins or party favors or etc. That is where we can get in trouble. All of those designs are copyrighted and protected by law. We cannot legally use those designs on our cakes to  sell to our customers.  You can purchase any of the pre-made items such as images or plastic pieces and etc and add those to a cake for the customer. Because that manufacturer has paid a premium fee to be able to sell those products we do
have the accessibility to the plastics. Otherwise we would be totally up a creek. So just count your blessings that we do have those plastic figures we can
 treathouse:      ok, so what if you freehand a design..say scoobie doo, on the cake and sell?
ladlemeister:      hi room- only now beginning to miss paper bags on which to work on!!
LesaG:      Rom...about receipts?
DOLORES7:   use for your customers cakes.  Even the Wilton shaped pans are made with a customer in mind who simply wants to do cakes for her children. We are not supposed to sell even those  designs. I know that doesn&sup1;t sound reasonable or make much sense to us who  have customers begging us to do those starred in cakes. But that is what we use for your customers cakes.
PjW10:      Hi Ladle..LOL
Bethany77:      The local bakery has made licensed figures on cakes for years. Scooby doo, Lamb chop, you name it.
tp4jb:      even freehand drawings can't be done.
DOLORES7:   treat...not ever! If they hold it up and identify it you are had!
216.192.168.89:      luvcakes:      I'm from Illinois and the FDA said theres
no way I can get approved from home
DOLORES7:   Even the Wilton shaped pans are made with a customer in mind who simply wants to do cakes for her children. We are not supposed to sell even
those
tp4jb:      i managed a cookies by design and they would check the drawings going out on the cookies.
 ladlemeister:      hi PJW- I dont think people really know how to respect copyright protections
LesaG:      Our grocery stores, I guess, have the license to sell them? I didn't realize you weren't supposed to sell those cakes! Geez.
PjW10:      I agree

---------CRASH NUMBER ONE--------

b.keith:      Are we back?
tp4jb:      i am
Tee-L:      Where did it all go?
sweetretta:      what happened???
b.keith:      Not sure who's still here, but before we got cut off, I was saying that the basis of copyright law in regards to what we do is pretty
simple.
PjW10:      did we all get bumped?
ShirleyFL:      oh good---i thought it was just me.
b.keith:      If you're using someone else's artistic or intellectual property for monetary gain without their permission, you're breaking the law.
AngelaJill:      Hi all, took me a long time to get in, did something happen?
b.keith:      I imagine the chat server had a bit of a meltdown or power hit.
tp4jb:      the server overloaded. i think that will happen here alot.
debyh:      hello
DOLORES7:   Hi all...I crashed am using aol to get in
CarolAnnTx:      what a mess.
Tee-L:      But aren't we breaking the law if we are not legal too?
sweetretta:      I guess we'll work out the bugs as time goes on.
ladlemeister:      hi again room!!

AngelaJill:      Hi dolores!
DOLORES7:   so we ALL crashed????
ladlemeister:      hi Dolores
DOLORES7:   I got in through aol
PjW10:      Yep, one fail swoop and boom!
b.keith:      Tee-l:      yep -- pretty much. But the county/state authorities probably aren't as zealous about pursuing as Disney is. ;)
CarolAnnTx:      We sure did crash.
treathouse:      man I got booted and couldnt sign back on..did I miss alot??
DOLORES7:   Earlene is coming in...she must have been lost on an old board...
PjW10:      OOH! Keith! new color please!
b.keith:      yeah -- sorry. it's pretty ugly. how's this one?
DOLORES7:   I'll forget about putting up the legal stuff...I have that and will post it in the aol chat area
cakelady29:      What happened? I got cut off and then could not get back on.
PjW10:      So I hear light pink ribbons are the thing to wear at convention
DOLORES7:   guess we all got bleeped
PjW10:      Much better Keith, thanks!
EarleneMor:      Well now this room looks different.
b.keith:      Why light pink ribons?
DOLORES7:   I agree Pj...we all liked that idea
ShirleyFL:      for pink icing and roses?
PjW10:      To Identify ourselves as chat room attendees
Bethany77:      Oh, good, everyone's still here. YEA!
b.keith:      OK -- I'll see what I can come up with.
EarleneMor:      Several of us ended up in another room somehow
PjW10:      I like it too, and less work for me..LOL
AngelaJill:      It will be fun to put faces with the names!
b.keith:      Of course, it'll be pretty tough to wear a ribbon in my hair....
EarleneMor:      We were all wondering where you guys were
DOLORES7:   Earlene...you had an old bookmark I think
LesaG:      Got the boot too! WhatdidImiss? LOL
DOLORES7:   BKieth doesn't want a pink ribbon I think
EarleneMor:      You will have to wear a pink bow tie Keith
DOLORES7:   Lesa...so did most of us...we crashed
CarolAnnTx:      We were here once and got boot and we're back.
PjW10:      Keith? should I bring my hot glue gun? LOL
EarleneMor:      Maybe so - it seems there were several of us with the same problem
b.keith:      Maybe I'll wear a pink thong.
DOLORES7:   yeah...a bow tie...cute
Kidzcakez:      I've been in the wrong room all night? What a mess.
JaniceO:      I made it! (gooo8)
Kidzcakez:      I've been in the wrong room all night? What a mess.
DOLORES7:   did anyone NOT get booted?
EarleneMor:      I just went in this afternoon to make sure I had the room bookmarked - Who knows
PjW10:      THONG!
DOLORES7:   some of you had an old bookmark Kid...
MindyMc:      this is weird, I was in the wrong room
cakelady29:      I went back to Dolores' message board and got on and could not get back in the chat room!
carole321:      Is this where we were supposed to be? Were we in the wrong room?
DOLORES7:   Sat. night BKieth?
b.keith:      I thkn everyone got booted. Probably a server problem.
EarleneMor:      Well at least we finally made it into the right room.
PjW10:      Hi Goooo
DOLORES7:   Carol...you are in the right place
LesaG:      I went to the message boards and waited! Figured we'd get back in sometime.
CarolAnnTx:      We all could wear one of those tall funny hats.
AngelaJill:      I had to refresh the message board before ot would let me in
b.keith:      Sat nite? I thought that's when we were supposed to wear our usual New Year's apparel. My PJ's are pretty flimsy....
DOLORES7:   I knew this would not go well LOL,,,too many cakes
EarleneMor:      Right Carole - funny night. By the way Dolores the other room got all my info.
kakeladi:      my goodness, i wondered why there were so few of us before
EarleneMor:      We couldn't figure out where the rest of you were.
DOLORES7:   LOL...well bow ties for dressup
MindyMc:      are you talking about what to wear at the convention so we can find each other
DOLORES7:   I could wear the hat I wear fishing????
LesaG:      I wanna go!!! whine whine
DOLORES7:   How did you all know to come here...from Earlene?
PjW10:      Mindy..Pink Thongs
AngelaJill:      Earlene, the tie dyed wedding cake you did, was it airbrush?
DOLORES7:   Mindy...yes...started out to be a yellow ribbon but truned pink
b.keith:      Anyway -- back to legalities. We were talking about copyrights.
The simple message is don't replicate copyrighted designs.
EarleneMor:      Janice and I were IM'ing and I told her and she told the rest of the room
JaniceO:      Hi there PjW10--I just saw your greeting. :^)
MindyMc:      underwear, or shoes? LOL
carole321:      Someone said 'go to delores' site' so I guess we did.
LesaG:      But the plastics are okay Dolores?
EarleneMor:      ANgelaJill yest that cake was airbrushed. Isn't that one a hoot
PjW10:      we have to disqualify copyrighted pcs in cake shows also
DOLORES7:   right about copyrights...don't even try it...it is not worth the worry
tp4jb:      you need to be careful with the edible images you print too. photographers can be nasty about using their photos

PjW10:      Mondy...whatever is most comfortable..LOL
DOLORES7:   Yes...plastics or thos Edible Images are fine.
AngelaJill:      Earlene, I thought it was great, unusual but beautiful!
MindyMc:      shoes for me then. hahaha
b.keith:      Dolores7 -- right. Because they're a one-use type item. You're paying for the right to use it once by buying it.
DOLORES7:   I have found that photogs will easily give permission IF its edible...I've had MANY oks
EarleneMor:      That one would not work in my head. She ordered the cake to
be airbrushed with red, orange, yellow, green, blue and purple
PjW10:      Bringing camera for Keiths thong!
EarleneMor:      d then she brought me those silk daisies in pinks, orchids and yellows.

JaniceO:      Zoom lens tooo
cakelady29:      Forget it Keith!!
DOLORES7:   Earlene...we'll bring our fancy cameras for that! LOL
EarleneMor:      I had to make myself do that cake and then when it was done I liked it.
PjW10:      This cake I gotta see!
b.keith:      Just don't put the image on a cake -- someone is bound to own the copyright. ;)
EarleneMor:      Right Dee
AngelaJill:      You pulled it off Earlene, it was an original!!
DOLORES7:   Pj...its on her web site now
LesaG:      Ear...is it on your site?
JaniceO:      Earlene it was a magnificent accomplishment.
DOLORES7:   I'm going to fix this screen so the new stuff posts at the top! On aol it doesn't work right! I see what Shirley meant while ago
PjW10:      My Aol crashed last week, still regrouping it
AngelaJill:      Go see that cake you all, it's great!!
Kampycakes:      hello
EarleneMor:      It sure is along with the castle grooms cake
LesaG:      Oh no....I'm just getting the hang of it and I took a couple of dramamine to cover the sea sickness. ROFL
b.keith:      Earlene -- that was a gorgeous cake! I just got a contract to do the Mad Hatter cake -- lopsided tiers, odd colors, etc. Gonna be fun!

EarleneMor:      Keith e-mail me and I will give you some tips on that one.
LesaG:      You should have seen the sick green type I was using before you signed on - it fit!
kakeladi:      mindy; mine eleminates itself after posting
b.keith:      The board is working fine for me -- messages come in at the bottom of the screen, and I don't need to scroll at all.
JaniceO:      Mine clears once I hit Say It
Kampycakes:      Hi Mindy! Are you all ready to go to KC?
PjW10:      I thought it was this wine I'm drinking....
EarleneMor:      Mine is now Mindy
DOLORES7:   I can't fix it right now...will tomorrow! Never tried it on aol before
b.keith:      Earlene -- ok -- will do. Thanks!
JaniceO:      Mine keeps jumpint to the top and I have to keep scrolling to the bottom or hitting Refresh
NitaB:      I switched to Netscape and the screen doesn't scroll up.
EarleneMor:      I keep trying to read what I missed. Not EASY in this room
DOLORES7:   yeah...BKieth but you aren't on aol are you?
LesaG:      Can we talk about the notices for allergies, etc., again. Like I said, the bride wants a card on the table since there will be so many
different flavors. Has anybody ever seen
Kampycakes:      Hi Mindy! Are you all ready to go to KC?
DOLORES7:   I can't fix it right now...will tomorrow! Never tried it on aol before
b.keith:      Earlene -- ok -- will do. Thanks!
JaniceO:      Mine keeps jumpint to the top and I have to keep scrolling to the bottom or hitting Refresh
NitaB:      I switched to Netscape and the screen doesn't scroll up.
EarleneMor:      I keep trying to read what I missed. Not EASY in this room
DOLORES7:   yeah...BKieth but you aren't on aol are you?
LesaG:      Can we talk about the notices for allergies, etc., again. Like I said, the bride wants a card on the table since there will be so many
different flavors. Has anybody ever seen
MindyMc:      yes, I'm ready, I can't wait.
LesaG:      this?
JaniceO:      who knows how to turn off bllinking banners?

Kampycakes:      Was trying to put together a Xena costume but I think I've chickened out.
b.keith:      No, this account is on mindapring.
AngelaJill:      Is everyone dressing in costume for the banquet on Sat?
DOLORES7:   I just got another error messgae LOL
MindyMc:      to turn off the adds, go to the view button at the top. hit internet options, hit advanced, scroll down to where it says show pictures
and click on it -&- then ok
DOLORES7:   mine is local but I go into aol through my ISP
PjW10:      COSTUME!
carole321:      I'm going in costume. Although once i went as my friend merlene.
JaniceO:      ShirleyFL--do I know you by another screen name? (gooo8)
DOLORES7:   Mindy...not on aol can you?
Kampycakes:      Maybe little calligraphy signs that tell the flavors??? I've never heard of doing that.
MindyMc:      I still have to backspace to get rid of what I typed before

Kampycakes:      Maybe little calligraphy signs that tell the flavors??? I've never heard of doing that.
MindyMc:      I still have to backspace to get rid of what I typed before
EarleneMor:      Just wear something nice and don't worry about it. People will be in everything from jeans to dressed to the nth
b.keith:      For allergies:      The big ones are nuts, dairy, chocolate. Rarer are wheat (gluten), and some others. Make sure to list those, and
you'll probably have most folks covered.
LesaG:      Kampy...think that would be good enough? Doing almond, white chocolate fantasy, red velvet, italian creme and Reeces for groom?
AngelaJill:      I guess I misunderstood, I thought it said costume! Oops !
PjW10:      phew...was thinking I had to do one more thing!
kakeladi:      about signs for flavors. if bride wants then do:) who cares if it's been done before.
DOLORES7:   right on allergies...I know someone who put coconut on to keep the plate from sticking and...
carole321:      Thanks, Dee. That worked for me.
EarleneMor:      I'm on AOL now and it certainly looks different in this room
LesaG:      I'd have to do every allergy known to man if I put an actual allergy notice on it. It'd cover the whole table! ROFL
DOLORES7:   it sent 3 people to the hospital...they were allergic...be careful of ingredients they don't know about

Kampycakes:      mine doesn't have internet options under view. :-(
PjW10:      ~~~~ deathly allergic to coconut
carole321:      That was supposed to say, I'm NOT going in costume!
LesaG:      kakeladi....so true! After all, I'm doing five different cake flavors for her - couldn't be any more weird with little signs! LOL
Bethany77:      look under tools for internet options
DOLORES7:   she put coconut on so the plate won't stick...could have used plain old plastic wrap
Kampycakes:      yes, I think the signs would be plenty - who knows what allergies there are, except maybe doctors?

MindyMc:      does it have anything similar Marie, You might have a different version of internet explorer
EarleneMor:      I keep taking the screen to the bottom and then it jumps back up and I have to take it to the bottom again
kakeladi:      i say just tell what flavor -&- maybe say if it has nuts or coconuts -&- let people decide if they can eat it.
carole321:      Mine just said 'options'
LesaG:      Thought she'd balk at my $25 per cake base price and then $1.25/slice - but no....five flavors she wants...five flavors she gets. The
customer is ALWAYS right, huh? LOL
PjW10:      If the signs are pretty and with the decor, what would it hurt!
b.keith:      Gonna run folks -- sandman calls. See ya!

I left this almost verbatum to the way the chat went. It was SO interesting and so many great questions were brought up. This is fasr better than any AOL chat...even if we crashed. Hope we have better luck this next ime on the 17th! If you go into this chat by some other method than through my web site, please go to http://w3.one.net/~proicer/index.html and download the software needed for the chat on the 17th. It requores some setup but I've given you a 'cheat cheet' which should make it easier for you.